Come at home for holidays and lotoole too. I will prepare food, you will eat meat again after one week

charez wrote: Come at home for holidays and lotoole too. I will prepare food, you will eat meat again after one week

Thanks but no thanks, it sounds like a heart-attack or stroke just waiting to happen

BTW: look at my previous post, i edited it.

CatMonster wrote: Look what i found:

Alexander von Humbold (1769-1859) was a German naturalist, explorer and geographer.

"Eating animals as food is not far away from athropophagy and cannibalism. The same amount of land used to graze and feed cattle could feed ten people, if however we cultivated it with lentils, kidney beans or peas it could feed a hundred people....The Orinoco basin can produce sufficient bananas to feed the whole of mankind comfortably."

charez wrote: CatMonster, it's a reputed vegetarian. By the way, do you eat eggs, milk, ect ?

I try to consume less and less of it but it takes time and it's not easy, there is milk used as an ingredient in 90% of food products in my country.

Even normal bread has milk inside as an ingredient.

i was reading this text too, he was telling then the human body is not designed to eat meat, because of how is placed our stomach and how are our tooth.
I found another text saying when humans started to eat meat it's when humans started to be smart because the place for the brain incrased 30%

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So you are planing to stop 100% ? If you were convinced it should be easy to stop, no matter if it is used a lot in your culture food

CatMonster wrote: If you believe the rumors, then even davidbugs is living a meat-free life because he says he only eats instant noodle soups everyday and nothing else.

why would he spread rumor about himself, it's official. he says he loves it and it cost 1$ for 10 bags

yes,

I found this:

"Cow’s Milk: A Cruel and Unhealthy Product

Given the chance, cows nurture their young and form lifelong friendships with one another. They play games and have a wide range of emotions and personality traits. But most cows raised for the dairy industry are intensively confined, leaving them unable to fulfill their most basic desires, such as nursing their calves, even for a single day. They are treated like milk-producing machines and are genetically manipulated and may be pumped full of antibiotics and hormones in order to produce more milk. While cows suffer on factory farms, humans who drink their milk increase their chances of developing heart disease, diabetes, cancer, and many other ailments.

Cows Suffer on Dairy Farms

Cows produce milk for the same reason that humans do—to nourish their young—but calves on dairy farms are taken away from their mothers when they are just 1 day old. They are fed milk replacers (including cattle blood) so that their mothers’ milk can be sold to humans.

Female cows are artificially inseminated shortly after their first birthdays. After giving birth, they lactate for months and are then inseminated again, continuing the cycle. Some spend their entire lives standing on concrete floors; others are confined to massive, crowded lots, where they are forced to live amid their own feces. A North Carolina dairy closed its doors following revelations from a whistleblower that the cows were forced to eat, walk and sleep in knee-deep waste.

Cows have a natural lifespan of about 20 years and can produce milk for eight or nine years. However, the stress caused by the conditions on factory farms leads to disease, lameness, and reproductive problems that render cows worthless to the dairy industry by the time that they’re 4 or 5 years old, at which time they are sent to be slaughtered.

On any given day, there are more than 9 million cows on U.S. dairy farms—about 12 million fewer than there were in 1950. Yet milk production has continued to increase, from 116 billion pounds of milk per year in 1950 to 206 billion pounds in 2014. Normally, these animals would produce only enough milk to meet the needs of their calves, but genetic manipulation—and, in some cases, antibiotics and hormones—is used to cause each cow to produce more than 20,000 pounds of milk each year. Cows are also fed unnatural, high-protein diets—which include dead chickens, pigs, and other animals—because their natural diet of grass would not provide the nutrients that they need to produce such massive amounts of milk.

Mastitis

Painful inflammation of the mammary glands, or mastitis, is common among cows raised for their milk, and it is one of dairy farms’ most frequently cited reasons for sending cows to slaughter. There are about 150 bacteria that can cause the disease, one of which is E. coli. Symptoms are not always visible, so milk’s somatic cell count (SCC) is checked to determine whether the milk is infected. Somatic cells include white blood cells and skin cells that are normally shed from the lining of the udder. As in humans, white blood cells—also known as “pus”—are produced as a means of combating infection. The SCC of healthy milk is below 100,000 cells per milliliter; however, the dairy industry is allowed to combine milk from all the cows in a herd in order to arrive at a “bulk tank” somatic cell count (BTSCC). Milk with a maximum BTSCC of 750,000 cells per milliliter can be sold. A BTSCC of 700,000 or more generally indicates that two-thirds of the cows in the herd are suffering from udder infections."

Studies have shown that providing cows with cleaner housing, more space, and better diets, bedding, and care lowers their milk’s SCC as well as their incidence of mastitis. A Danish study of cows subjected to automated milking systems found “acutely elevated cell counts during the first year compared with the previous year with conventional milking. The increase came suddenly and was synchronized with the onset of automatic milking.” Instead of improving conditions in factory farms or easing cows’ production burden, the dairy industry is exploring the use of cattle who have been genetically manipulated to be resistant to mastitis.

The Veal Connection

If you drink milk, you’re subsidizing the veal industry. While female calves are slaughtered or kept alive to produce milk, male calves are often taken away from their mothers when they are as young as 1 day old to be chained in tiny stalls for three to 18 weeks and raised for veal. Calves raised for veal are fed a milk substitute that is designed to make them gain at least 2 pounds per day, and their diet is purposely low in iron so that their flesh stays pale as a result of anemia. In addition to suffering from diarrhea, pneumonia, and lameness, calves raised for veal are terrified and desperate for their mothers.

Human Bodies Fight Cow’s Milk

Besides humans (and companion animals who are fed by humans), no species drinks milk beyond infancy or drinks the milk of another species. Cow’s milk is suited to the nutritional needs of calves, who have four stomachs and gain hundreds of pounds in a matter of months, sometimes weighing more than 1,000 pounds before they are 2 years old.

Cow’s milk is the number one cause of food allergies among infants and children, according to the American Gastroenterological Association. Most people begin to produce less lactase, the enzyme that helps with the digestion of milk, when they are as young as 2 years old. This reduction can lead to lactose intolerance. Millions of Americans are lactose intolerant, and an estimated 90 percent of Asian-Americans and 75 percent of Native- and African-Americans suffer from the condition, which can cause bloating, gas, cramps, vomiting, headaches, rashes, and asthma. A U.K. study showed that people who suffered from irregular heartbeats, asthma, headaches, fatigue, and digestive problems “showed marked and often complete improvements in their health after cutting milk from their diets.”

Calcium and Protein Myths

Although American women consume tremendous amounts of calcium, their rates of osteoporosis are among the highest in the world. Conversely, Chinese people consume half as much calcium (most of it from plant sources) and have a very low incidence of the bone disease. Medical studies indicate that rather than preventing the disease, milk may actually increase women’s risk of getting osteoporosis. A Harvard Nurses’ Study of more than 77,000 women ages 34 to 59 found that those who consumed two or more glasses of milk per day had higher risks of broken hips and arms than those who drank one glass or less per day. T. Colin Campbell, professor of nutritional biochemistry at Cornell University, said, “The association between the intake of animal protein and fracture rates appears to be as strong as that between cigarette smoking and lung cancer.”

Humans can get all the protein that they need from nuts, seeds, yeast, grains, beans, and other legumes. It’s very difficult not to get enough calories from protein when you eat a healthy diet; protein deficiency (also known as “kwashiorkor”) is very rare in the U.S. and is usually only a problem for people who live in famine-stricken countries. Eating too much animal protein has been linked to the development of endometrial, pancreatic, and prostate cancer. Consuming too much protein may also put a strain on the kidneys, causing them to compensate by leaching calcium from the bones.

What You Can Do

The best way to save cows from the misery of factory farms is to stop buying milk and other dairy products. Discover the joy of soy! Fortified plant-derived milks provide calcium, vitamins, iron, zinc, and protein but do not contain any cholesterol. Soy, rice, oat, and nut milks are perfect for cereal, coffee, and soups and also work well in baked goods and other recipes. Many delicious nondairy products are available in grocery and health-food stores."

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To get back to the original Topic of lab testing on animals:

I think we have accumulated large amounts of data over the last 100 years so that we should be able to use that data to simulate different animal lab tests only using a computer.
No more animals needed, we have computers and software programs that can give us the same or better results then animal tests did in the past.
It is possible but i guess not as much fun as making animals suffer for nonsense tests that don't provide any real data because at least 50% or more of those tests are utterly useless and outdated.

I guess their still trying to find out with all those monkey lab tests about who that future ape leader that starts a rebellion against humanity will be, the one they call"Caesar" from the "planet of the apes".

if davids eating noodles everyday look at what its done to his brain cells hahaha ,,diet needs to be varied more plants and berries i say.

i think if people had meat once a week then would be fine,yes i do agree with charez and everyone else ,we all have mentioned good points.

humans however have developed a taste for meat which is insatiable and cannot be replaced by anything else hmmm.

we are both herbivores and carnivores by nature i guess

Well the meat has to come from somewhere, why not use human meat instead ?
Human meat is more nutritious then animal meat, just ask any human cannibal and they will confirm it.

We could start breeding humans in small cages and take away their babies and poke them with sticks.

"Welcome to CatMonster's Burger Shop....with the secret ingredient that makes it special"

But eating human meat is considered taboo, altough no one could tell the difference between a human burger and a cow burger.
No one would eat a human burger if they know what it is and how it is made.

Hypocritism at it's finest

charez wrote:
i was reading this text too, he was telling then the human body is not designed to eat meat, because of how is placed our stomach and how are our tooth.
I found another text saying when humans started to eat meat it's when humans started to be smart because the place for the brain incrased 30%

That article that you read is not based on the truth, when the human race started to eat meat that's when the humans invented War and used sticks and stones to fight each other over ownership of caves.

Ever since i stopped with meat my IQ has actually increased because there is no more meat-junk in my system holding my IQ back.

And my aggressiveness level i used to have inside of me when i was still eating meat has decreased to almost 0% , not to mention that i feel much more healthier then before and at my last health checkup my doctor confirmed it.

No strokes, no heart attacks, no veins being blocked by fat, no more bad meat odors, no more feeling aggresive, i am happier now then before and i have no more guilty conscience.

so catmonster are you a vegetarian now?

do you use quorn and tofu alot? if seasoned and cooked well is almost same as meat especially minced quorn,has texture of mince meat.

pulses ie beans,lentils contain alot of protein,much more filling and nutritious, baked beans make you fart but tasty tho on buttered toast with a fried egg on top,yum

This looks like a discussion that will track out, just as politics thread.

( Nothing personal, just worried that someone will be at loggerheads again )

Btw, my T-shirt is tested on my dog.

hahaha zegon stop it,before i roll on the floor laughing

dont worry no such thing will happen here i know what you mean,,,i have had some buddha enlightenment so i am ok from my side,,peace man peace

CatMonster

Industrial milk is like a fake milk. they extract the good ingredients to re inject them later in another form for homogeneous milk like they say. Real fresh milk has another taste. Did you know the seller (farmer) doesn't fix the rate for his milk but the industry decide. Producing 1 L cost 0.20 cts euro but the industry buy it at 0.15 cts euros (numbers are surely wrong but it's just to show) So the farmers are losing money ? Yes and that's why there are less and less farmers. When i was young you were considered a bit "rich" if you were farmer, now they are poor and no choice to get help gov for some of them. I have even see some comitted suicide

Have you see the price for beef steack (and other)s at butcher is higher than supermarkets ?
Supermarkets buy cows that have been used for milk only. They then recycle them in supermarket. If you compare a cow used only for milk and a cow that lived outside with good life ect, both are different. Cow for milk have a small ass and even their legs are differents to suppport their milk pocket. Great cows are fat with big ass. And both have different taste. If you touch 2 beef steack from them you can see the difference, even the color of the meat can be different

So again, this is caused by the industry code, "forcing" to use bad practices. But before the food industry comes cows were growed just fine with great food, running in the meadow,ect

i agree with you catmonster and charez, mon chat effronté i live in a village just outside the city and get fresh milk from a farm here daily,,,its still warm,rich and frothy and yes very different from what the supermarkets sell.
i eat free range eggs, they are smaller and the yolk is very yellow and richer,whereas supermarket eggs are bigger and paler,what do you expect from battery hens?

Animals on a farm, grazing on natural pastures produce much more superior milk, butter,cheese and meat than cows in a big warehouse .

i grow all my own vegetables too,what i cant produce or get locally i will go to the city but the country life is the best,apart from the mosquitos and flies

CatMonster wrote:

charez wrote:
i was reading this text too, he was telling then the human body is not designed to eat meat, because of how is placed our stomach and how are our tooth.
I found another text saying when humans started to eat meat it's when humans started to be smart because the place for the brain incrased 30%

Ever since i stopped with meat my IQ has actually increased because there is no more meat-junk in my system holding my IQ back.

And my aggressiveness level i used to have inside of me when i was still eating meat has decreased to almost 0% , not to mention that i feel much more healthier then before and at my last health checkup my doctor confirmed it.

No strokes, no heart attacks, no veins being blocked by fat, no more bad meat odors, no more feeling aggresive, i am happier now then before and i have no more guilty conscience.

Not saying it is not true but it's funny what you say.
I am going to investigate on this

Catmonster,i hope you dont mind if i ask you, are you retired? i mean when you say check up and strokes i think of older age groups,no offense but i can believe what you say about being much more healthier coz i too have found eating no meat has made me a lot calmer before i used to pull my husbands hair and kick him in the butt if he annoyed me,now its all lovey dovey here,,,mind you he loves meat which i dont mind cooking for him but i dont eat it,i will make a separate dish for myself.

no, i still have to work another 30 years

pindokhan123 wrote: i agree with you catmonster and charez, mon chat effronté i live in a village just outside the city and get fresh milk from a farm here daily,,,its still warm,rich and frothy and yes very different from what the supermarkets sell.
i eat free range eggs, they are smaller and the yolk is very yellow and richer,whereas supermarket eggs are bigger and paler,what do you expect from battery hens?

Animals on a farm, grazing on natural pastures produce much more superior milk, butter,cheese and meat than cows in a big warehouse .

i grow all my own vegetables too,what i cant produce or get locally i will go to the city but the country life is the best,apart from the mosquitos and flies

pindokhan123, off topic, but yesterday after i finished a survey about food for chat effronté they asked me if i agree to receive some samples, so i say yes 2 days ago it was about coffee and same i am going to receive coffee

CatMonster wrote: no, i still have to work another 30 years

thats good to know

hope i did'nt offend you there buddy

charez i will put you on another topic you cheeky git

I'm not offended, it's all good