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What will Briton do. Leave or Stay?

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#1 by proadco » Mon May 30, 2016 04:29

Vote Leave Chief Executive Matthew Elliott said: “If people vote to stay, they are voting for the free movement of people from Europe to the UK, permanently.

“British business will continue to be strangled by EU regulation and we will continue to send £50 million each week to Brussels.

“If we Vote Leave on 23 June, we take back control of our money, our borders and our democracy.

Read the full news article.
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#2 by jjohnson777 » Mon May 30, 2016 05:14

Never understood why they joined it. Does not sound British giving up that much sovereignty to mainland Europe. If you do leave safe bet Scotland ask for another independence vote and vote to leave which open alot of can worms for other places want form own countries in EU. At least you were smart enough keep your own currency & monetary policy bet Germans wish they did now.
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#3 by Charez » Mon May 30, 2016 05:23

jjohnson777 wrote: Never understood why they joined it. Does not sound British giving up that much sovereignty to mainland Europe. If you do leave safe bet Scotland ask for another independence vote and vote to leave which open alot of can worms for other places want form own countries in EU. At least you were smart enough keep your own currency & monetary policy bet Germans wish they did now.
Almost every country wish that i think. The only ones who don't are the last added maybe
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#4 by tasman1 » Mon May 30, 2016 06:23

If they leave ......... over 50% of trade is with EU and it will take 3-5 years to negotiate new deal ...BRITAIN IS DEAD


If they stay...........Britain is doomed and will die with the rest of E.U.


Solution ...............There is no solution


Real Solution.........Kill Globalization and save the World


And dear friend ProAdCo you say ...If we Vote Leave on 23 June, we take back control of our money, our borders and our democracy.................OUR MONEY ?????? OUR DEMOCRACY ?????
Nothing in this World is OURS , it is THEIRS
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#5 by hansgruber » Mon May 30, 2016 07:22

as victoria nuland said, f**k the eu

a british politician (cant remember the name) once said for every pound we send to the eu, we get 10 back. the uk sends circa 50million a week. do we get back 500million of monies and services a week? no we do not. absolutely everything has been cut back by the uk government and 'the books have been balanced' on the backs of the poorest and least able.

the tories are genius, they very publicly killed off the liberal democrats and made it look as if it was their own fault. the day nick clegg became deputy prime minister i saw straight away what they were doing. they also got loads of their people to sign up to the labour party and vote for jeremy corbyn, and now its civil war in labour.

and whenever anyone questions their methods, they wheel out 'it was labours fault, they left our finances in a mess' which worked for a bit but theyre STILL using it nearly 10 years later. #ridiculous

rant over

EDIT - its 50million a day
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#6 by Sarah_Hill » Mon May 30, 2016 08:50

charez wrote:
jjohnson777 wrote: Never understood why they joined it. Does not sound British giving up that much sovereignty to mainland Europe. If you do leave safe bet Scotland ask for another independence vote and vote to leave which open alot of can worms for other places want form own countries in EU. At least you were smart enough keep your own currency & monetary policy bet Germans wish they did now.
Almost every country wish that i think. The only ones who don't are the last added maybe

I don't think so, at least not Spain, in spite of the fact that we weren't among the first ones to join.

From my point of view, Britain never seems to be happy enough. They kept their own currency and monetary policy with the huge advantage that it carries. If they now decide to leave, they might find themselves having a hard time when it comes to trade, etc. If any other British citizen wants to spend their luxurious retirement in let's say a sunnier and cheaper EU country, they would probably have to face some bureaucratic process which might be as pleasant as a kick in the ass. This is just an example, but I don't really think it'd be the most beneficial thing for them to do in the long term.

Furthermore, do they think they're the only ones in the EU having a serious migratory problem? Look at us, there is a hell of a large influx of illegal African immigrants trying to get into Spain after crossing the Strait of Gibraltar in dinghies or even in plastic rafts, every other day... not to mention our copying with a long list of crooked politicians and a massive public debt.

I believe things can and should be deeply and thoroughly discussed to try and come to terms in a way which benefits each of the EU members as equally as possible in the first place, as these are not simple issues to rush into.
If after doing this there is someone who still wishes to depart, well, I guess democracy is not just a word and serves for some purpose. As long as they're willing to face both the good and the bad consequences, let them go.

Regards.
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#7 by TutFREAK » Mon May 30, 2016 10:17

Good arguments Sarah but here in the UK we see things differently, vast sums of our money is being used to bail out others members and this will only get worse, I for one also want our Sovereignty back with a British passport. In the event of a call to arms Europe is just a dithering giant with too many rules and regulations. As for the people that choose to live in sunnier climes that is their choice and they can vote accordingly. We will be able to set up new trade deals, no problem and I for one think we will prosper outside the European Union!
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#8 by Charez » Mon May 30, 2016 14:04

The open doors of Gibraltar and the immigrants isn't a new problem. It 's an old problem and pretty sure bigger since Europe. And Spain may have interests economically in Europe. (nb:"PIIGS").

But i agree with TutFREAK, too many rules and regulations and as we know we can't make everyone happy. We (european nations),can't help every country, it is not possible. There is an adage saying: look at your house before looking at others

Look at Italy banks they are KO in some months. Will Europe be able to do something ? Nope. And Italy is not like Greece problem
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#9 by Sarah_Hill » Mon May 30, 2016 14:58

TutFREAK wrote: Good arguments Sarah but here in the UK we see things differently, vast sums of our money is being used to bail out others members and this will only get worse, I for one also want our Sovereignty back with a British passport. In the event of a call to arms Europe is just a dithering giant with too many rules and regulations. As for the people that choose to live in sunnier climes that is their choice and they can vote accordingly. We will be able to set up new trade deals, no problem and I for one think we will prosper outside the European Union!

Thank you. Well, not everyone in the UK see things as you do, starting with your Prime Minister.
Anyway, as I said, democracy is there for a purpose, you will have your referendum and we'll see what the majority thinks.

charez wrote:The open doors of Gibraltar and the immigrants isn't a new problem. It 's an old problem and pretty sure bigger since Europe. And Spain may have interests economically in Europe. (nb:"PIIGS").

But i agree with TutFREAK, too many rules and regulations and as we know we can't make everyone happy. We (european nations),can't help every country, it is not possible. There is an adage saying: look at your house before looking at others

Look at Italy banks they are KO in some months. Will Europe be able to do something ? Nope. And Italy is not like Greece problem

Of course it's not a new problem, but it seems as if Britain was the only country facing migratory issues, that was my point. And just because it's an old problem doesn't mean it's less serious. Spain has an economic interest in Europe, but we make our contributions too, as I'm sure Italy and Greece do, one way or another. Nothing is for free.

Europe can't save every country, I agree each country should try and solve its issues, we can't take in every single human being... but does that mean we have to turn our backs on them and go our own way no matter what happens? That probably reflects the kind of extremely individualistic beings we're becoming, and that's fine to a certain extent; the problem comes when we lose all ability to put ourselves in others' shoes. Because in the future, roles might swap and it could be you asking for help to your old mates.

Regards.
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#10 by BouldRake » Mon May 30, 2016 15:50

What immigration problem?

We have an aging population, and not enough economically active people to replace them - without mass immigration, you'll have to retire later, and have a lower quality of life in retirement - and this has already started!

What's actually happening is the economy was screwed up the major banks, and by massive overspending by Labour, and was then reinforced by vampirous austerity. Immigrants provide the scapegoat, as they have done in every single recession ever. Nobody cares about immigration during a boom, yet everyone blames it during the bust.

The country is full? That's not just wrong, it's mindbogglingly wrong - the entire population of Earth can fit inside the M25, albeit standing up. Not enough affordable housing? That's not an immigration problem - that's what happens when you sell off council stock and fail to replace it. NHS suffering? Again, not an immigration problem, that's what happens when you lower your spend both in overall terms, and as a percentage of GDP compared to other European countries.

There is no immigration problem, there's just politicians playing us off against each other making sure you blame other working people instead of them.
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#11 by Charez » Mon May 30, 2016 16:10

The problem with having enough ressources, infrastructures, to be able to help. It costs money and ressources to give them money and help
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#12 by proadco » Mon May 30, 2016 16:12

@ BouldRake

I don't think you have been keeping up on the real mass immigration problem.
However, you are inline how the globalists wants you to think so they can bring in the NWO agenda for the UN.

If this plays out as the globalists intends, not the immigrants will be assimilating with you, you will be forced
to assimilate with them under their ideology and live under Sharia Law.

That's the same problem here in USA with the DC agenda that was arranged back in March 2011 with Hillary
making the arrangements with the Saudi Prince under the UN Resolution 16/18 and signed on by Obama with
the United Nations with the expectations that Hillary would be the next President after Obama.


As for Spain. Spain should of followed Iceland lead and took back their country and put the bankers in jail
and kicked out the federal reserve.

Instead, Spain signed on to new debt that is not theirs and took on the banks derivatives of their bad bets.
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#13 by sweetpie3000 » Mon May 30, 2016 16:19

Take a look at Japan population. A very strict on immigrant. But Japan population on decline. Now Japan govt willing pay them a lot of money to have baby.

Europe population is on decline. Since Europe aren't having any baby since they can't afford it.

By the way USA population is on decline. More foreign born baby.
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#14 by Charez » Mon May 30, 2016 16:26

davidbugs wrote: Take a look at Japan population. A very strict on immigrant. But Japan population on decline. Now Japan govt willing pay them a lot of money to have baby.

Europe population is on decline. Since Europe aren't having any baby since they can't afford it.

By the way USA population is on decline. More foreign born baby.


It's not that european can't afford it. This is lifestyle.
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#15 by proadco » Mon May 30, 2016 16:27

davidbugs wrote: Take a look at Japan population. A very strict on immigrant. But Japan population on decline. Now Japan govt willing pay them a lot of money to have baby.

Europe population is on decline. Since Europe aren't having any baby since they can't afford it.

By the way USA population is on decline. More foreign born baby.

That's why the gov't developed the non-lethal weapon of the " Gay Bomb " to create more LGBT's.

In doing so, that would greatly reduce newborns and downsize the population.

The globalists controls the air we breath, the food we eat, the water we drink, the medicines they give and
every one is loaded with toxins we consume that gradually make people ill. ( slow eugenics )

The bankers has savaged all the money, they have the scientific technology, the nano medical to extent
life and the robotics.

The only thing that is standing in their way are the people that are still living.
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#16 by jjohnson777 » Mon May 30, 2016 18:42

Iceland only country not listen to idiot economist. They did opposit of what they said to do and seem be only ones doing well. Wish rest did it but the idiots wanted to make it un-painful but it would of been if we took it in few bad months instead of slowly recovering over few decades.
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#17 by tasman1 » Mon May 30, 2016 19:00

aging population solution in Western World...........increase tax 200% for people who are 30 years old and do not have kids .

I was my duty to clean my kids s..t when they was small
It is their duty to clean my s..t when i am old

Western World can live with out increasing number of immigrant forever

WHY GIVE YOUR COUNTRY TO ANOTHER RACE ?????
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#18 by BouldRake » Mon May 30, 2016 19:07

It isn't yours to give.
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#19 by Charez » Mon May 30, 2016 19:37

Sarah_Hill wrote:
TutFREAK wrote: Good arguments Sarah but here in the UK we see things differently, vast sums of our money is being used to bail out others members and this will only get worse, I for one also want our Sovereignty back with a British passport. In the event of a call to arms Europe is just a dithering giant with too many rules and regulations. As for the people that choose to live in sunnier climes that is their choice and they can vote accordingly. We will be able to set up new trade deals, no problem and I for one think we will prosper outside the European Union!

Thank you. Well, not everyone in the UK see things as you do, starting with your Prime Minister.
Anyway, as I said, democracy is there for a purpose, you will have your referendum and we'll see what the majority thinks.

charez wrote:The open doors of Gibraltar and the immigrants isn't a new problem. It 's an old problem and pretty sure bigger since Europe. And Spain may have interests economically in Europe. (nb:"PIIGS").

But i agree with TutFREAK, too many rules and regulations and as we know we can't make everyone happy. We (european nations),can't help every country, it is not possible. There is an adage saying: look at your house before looking at others

Look at Italy banks they are KO in some months. Will Europe be able to do something ? Nope. And Italy is not like Greece problem

Of course it's not a new problem, but it seems as if Britain was the only country facing migratory issues, that was my point. And just because it's an old problem doesn't mean it's less serious. Spain has an economic interest in Europe, but we make our contributions too, as I'm sure Italy and Greece do, one way or another. Nothing is for free.

Europe can't save every country, I agree each country should try and solve its issues, we can't take in every single human being... but does that mean we have to turn our backs on them and go our own way no matter what happens? That probably reflects the kind of extremely individualistic beings we're becoming, and that's fine to a certain extent; the problem comes when we lose all ability to put ourselves in others' shoes. Because in the future, roles might swap and it could be you asking for help to your old mates.

Regards.

Yes, you're right but it should supposed to be even withtout European Union or could at least. No really need EU to help each other. (not only economically) The thing is at a certain level you can't help anymore
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#20 by Charez » Mon May 30, 2016 19:39

tasman1 wrote: aging population solution in Western World...........increase tax 200% for people who are 30 years old and do not have kids .

I was my duty to clean my kids s..t when they was small
It is their duty to clean my s..t when i am old

Western World can live with out increasing number of immigrant forever

WHY GIVE YOUR COUNTRY TO ANOTHER RACE ?????

Euh, you are not born in Australia right ?
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