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jjohnson777 wrote: Never understood why they joined it. Does not sound British giving up that much sovereignty to mainland Europe. If you do leave safe bet Scotland ask for another independence vote and vote to leave which open alot of can worms for other places want form own countries in EU. At least you were smart enough keep your own currency & monetary policy bet Germans wish they did now.Almost every country wish that i think. The only ones who don't are the last added maybe
charez wrote:jjohnson777 wrote: Never understood why they joined it. Does not sound British giving up that much sovereignty to mainland Europe. If you do leave safe bet Scotland ask for another independence vote and vote to leave which open alot of can worms for other places want form own countries in EU. At least you were smart enough keep your own currency & monetary policy bet Germans wish they did now.Almost every country wish that i think. The only ones who don't are the last added maybe
TutFREAK wrote: Good arguments Sarah but here in the UK we see things differently, vast sums of our money is being used to bail out others members and this will only get worse, I for one also want our Sovereignty back with a British passport. In the event of a call to arms Europe is just a dithering giant with too many rules and regulations. As for the people that choose to live in sunnier climes that is their choice and they can vote accordingly. We will be able to set up new trade deals, no problem and I for one think we will prosper outside the European Union!
charez wrote:The open doors of Gibraltar and the immigrants isn't a new problem. It 's an old problem and pretty sure bigger since Europe. And Spain may have interests economically in Europe. (nb:"PIIGS").
But i agree with TutFREAK, too many rules and regulations and as we know we can't make everyone happy. We (european nations),can't help every country, it is not possible. There is an adage saying: look at your house before looking at others
Look at Italy banks they are KO in some months. Will Europe be able to do something ? Nope. And Italy is not like Greece problem
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davidbugs wrote: Take a look at Japan population. A very strict on immigrant. But Japan population on decline. Now Japan govt willing pay them a lot of money to have baby.
Europe population is on decline. Since Europe aren't having any baby since they can't afford it.
By the way USA population is on decline. More foreign born baby.
davidbugs wrote: Take a look at Japan population. A very strict on immigrant. But Japan population on decline. Now Japan govt willing pay them a lot of money to have baby.
Europe population is on decline. Since Europe aren't having any baby since they can't afford it.
By the way USA population is on decline. More foreign born baby.
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Sarah_Hill wrote:TutFREAK wrote: Good arguments Sarah but here in the UK we see things differently, vast sums of our money is being used to bail out others members and this will only get worse, I for one also want our Sovereignty back with a British passport. In the event of a call to arms Europe is just a dithering giant with too many rules and regulations. As for the people that choose to live in sunnier climes that is their choice and they can vote accordingly. We will be able to set up new trade deals, no problem and I for one think we will prosper outside the European Union!
Thank you. Well, not everyone in the UK see things as you do, starting with your Prime Minister.
Anyway, as I said, democracy is there for a purpose, you will have your referendum and we'll see what the majority thinks.
charez wrote:The open doors of Gibraltar and the immigrants isn't a new problem. It 's an old problem and pretty sure bigger since Europe. And Spain may have interests economically in Europe. (nb:"PIIGS").
But i agree with TutFREAK, too many rules and regulations and as we know we can't make everyone happy. We (european nations),can't help every country, it is not possible. There is an adage saying: look at your house before looking at others
Look at Italy banks they are KO in some months. Will Europe be able to do something ? Nope. And Italy is not like Greece problem
Of course it's not a new problem, but it seems as if Britain was the only country facing migratory issues, that was my point. And just because it's an old problem doesn't mean it's less serious. Spain has an economic interest in Europe, but we make our contributions too, as I'm sure Italy and Greece do, one way or another. Nothing is for free.
Europe can't save every country, I agree each country should try and solve its issues, we can't take in every single human being... but does that mean we have to turn our backs on them and go our own way no matter what happens? That probably reflects the kind of extremely individualistic beings we're becoming, and that's fine to a certain extent; the problem comes when we lose all ability to put ourselves in others' shoes. Because in the future, roles might swap and it could be you asking for help to your old mates.
Regards.
tasman1 wrote: aging population solution in Western World...........increase tax 200% for people who are 30 years old and do not have kids .
I was my duty to clean my kids s..t when they was small
It is their duty to clean my s..t when i am old
Western World can live with out increasing number of immigrant forever
WHY GIVE YOUR COUNTRY TO ANOTHER RACE ?????