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#41 by tasman1 » Sat Dec 03, 2016 18:58

seaeagle.....I agree , smoking will be banned in Australia in few years time ......drugs will be legal

seaeagle.....I agree . only 13% are smokers here...............and 70% are drug adict

seaeagle.....I do not agree with ..He lives in a spot on the Earth where the air is purer than almost anywhere else on the entire planet....Tasmania is very poor , old factories , smog . We are No1 for astma in Australia and you know that plus as you know we have 28 towns here with shit forbiden to drink water . you know all that if not look at official govt site for the truth


read this

Tasmania's Premier Will Hodgman is demanding answers as the national spotlight falls on more than two dozen Tasmanian towns where locals are unable to drink from the water supply.
GIF: Map of Tasmanian towns with unusable water

In 26 towns across the state the water is unsafe to drink and either needs to be boiled or cannot be consumed at all.

A study has found lead levels in water pipes exceeded national guidelines by up to 22 times.

Mr Hodgman said the long standing problem has left a bitter taste in the mouths of thousands of Tasmanians.

"Absolutely not good enough and it's a concern to the Tasmanian community and it's a concern to Government," he said.

But Mr Hodgman did not commit any money to help speed up pipe upgrades, or install more rain water tanks.

"The responsible owners are of course, local government, so we need to work with them as well, but as a State Government we cannot accept the current situation," he said.


Real clean air , from U.N.
In 2012, the World Health Organization issued a global air quality ranking and Estonia, Mauritius and Canada rank the top three. According to statistics, these countries are benefited from their low population density, superior climate conditions and strict control measures on air pollution.

Top 1 Estonia

Estonia lies on the eastern shores of the Baltic Sea. Its capital is Tallinn. According to the global air quality ranking issued by the WHO, Estonia enjoys the cleanest air in the world. Estonia, with 47 percent of its territory covered by forests, has numerous fantastic gulfs, straits, islands, lakes and marshes.

Because of its outstanding air quality, Estonia attracts many health-minded tourists from all over the world.

Top 2 Mauritius

Mauritius is an island nation in the Indian Ocean about 2,000 kilometers off the south east coast of the African continent. Mauritius is surrounded by coral reefs. Mauritius possesses many different landforms. Narrow plains stretch along the coast. In the middle there are plateau mountains, sierras and isolated peaks.

Top 3 Canada

Canada is a North American country consisting of 10 provinces and three territories. Located in the northern part of the continent, it extends from the Atlantic to the Pacific and northward into the Arctic Ocean.
















The World Air Quality Index publishes data measuring pollution in units called PM10 and PM2.5, which track particles in the atmosphere.

At one point in the past 48 hours, the figures showed air quality at New Norfolk near Hobart reached the same level as industrial areas of India and China.

Hobart's PM2.5 was higher than New York, London and Paris.

Launceston's measure was slightly lower than the southern part of the state, but still higher than Melbourne.
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#42 by valerie » Sat Dec 03, 2016 18:59

Ya, I don't think vaping or pot smoking is good for the lungs. I don't think anything is good
for the lungs other than air and humidity or something to help one breath.

Maybe one day people will realize they don't need a crutch. For now, they're making the health
care industry a fortune.
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#43 by seaeagle » Sat Dec 03, 2016 20:02

tasman1 wrote:
At one point in the past 48 hours, the figures showed air quality at New Norfolk near Hobart reached the same level as industrial areas of India and China.

Hobart's PM2.5 was higher than New York, London and Paris.

Launceston's measure was slightly lower than the southern part of the state, but still higher than Melbourne.

Perhaps you should choose an article that is not written about pollution caused by annual bushfire fuel reduction burns:

Global air quality tracker shows parts of Tasmania worse than big cities - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
Quote:A global index shows air quality in Tasmania's Derwent Valley reached levels deemed unhealthy in the past two days, as authorities carry out autumn fuel reduction burns.

The World Air Quality Index publishes data measuring pollution in units called PM10 and PM2.5, which track particles in the atmosphere.

At one point in the past 48 hours, the figures showed air quality at New Norfolk near Hobart reached the same level as industrial areas of India and China.
Of course, when you do not have forest fires burning around you, the air is usually a lot cleaner.

This article might have been better as it is from an official govt site:

Air quality | Public Health - www.dhhs.tas.gov.au/

Quote:Tasmania has some of the cleanest air in the world. But we do have periods each year when it can get smoky outside. Smoke reduces the quality of the air we breathe and it also affects our health.
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#44 by tasman1 » Sat Dec 03, 2016 20:07

That is just a propaganda ... read what the world say about clean air or water

normaly in Australia they say we have the best , Americans say we have the best , Chile say we have the best , Congo say we have the best and so on ... just propaganda
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#45 by True-Democracy » Sun Dec 04, 2016 19:01

But why is it that there seems to be a hidden war against tobaco from all sides making it more expensive and harder to obtain while alcohol is available everywhere and cheap. Why is that ?
Shouldn't booze bottles also have pictures on them showing for example damaged livers similar like cigarette packages showing damaged lungs ?
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#46 by tasman1 » Sun Dec 04, 2016 19:06

CatMonster wrote: But why is it that there seems to be a hidden war against tobaco from all sides making it more expensive and harder to obtain while alcohol is available everywhere and cheap. Why is that ?
Shouldn't booze bottles also have pictures on them showing for example damaged livers similar like cigarette packages showing damaged lungs ?


Why ? Govt see more money in future selling drugs and more people will die from drugs , in short more money for govt

smokers are dying slowly , huge cost for govt
dying from strong drugs is fast , huge saving for govt
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#47 by BouldRake » Sun Dec 04, 2016 19:15

tasman1 wrote:
CatMonster wrote: But why is it that there seems to be a hidden war against tobaco from all sides making it more expensive and harder to obtain while alcohol is available everywhere and cheap. Why is that ?
Shouldn't booze bottles also have pictures on them showing for example damaged livers similar like cigarette packages showing damaged lungs ?


Why ? Govt see more money in future selling drugs and more people will die from drugs , in short more money for govt

smokers are dying slowly , huge cost for govt
dying from strong drugs is fast , huge saving for govt

There have been plenty of studies showing smokers pay more and cost less than non-smokers for state funded medical care.
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#48 by True-Democracy » Sun Dec 04, 2016 19:19

But doesn't alcohol cause bigger health problems ?
The government has steadily been increasing the tax on tobaco in europe over many years.
Because of this high tax on tobaco many have stopped smoking or switched to alternative means.
What i'm saying is that european governments are killing their own tax revenue from tobaco. Doesn't make any sense from a financial point of view.
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#49 by tasman1 » Sun Dec 04, 2016 19:31

CatMonster wrote: But doesn't alcohol cause bigger health problems ?
The government has steadily been increasing the tax on tobaco in europe over many years.
Because of this high tax on tobaco many have stopped smoking or switched to alternative means.
What i'm saying is that european governments are killing their own tax revenue from tobaco. Doesn't make any sense from a financial point of view.



Europa ? My dear friend . by the law price must increase here every4 month
Australia , cheapest price , 22,00 for pack of 20
and govt say it will not stop until we pay 100,00 for pack of 20
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#50 by valerie » Sun Dec 04, 2016 19:34

CatMonster wrote: But why is it that there seems to be a hidden war against tobaco from all sides making it more expensive and harder to obtain while alcohol is available everywhere and cheap. Why is that ?
Shouldn't booze bottles also have pictures on them showing for example damaged livers similar like cigarette packages showing damaged lungs ?

Probably because to an extent, it can be good for you. Not much good about tobacco.

It's like candy. Candy can be ok in moderation. Booze can be ok in moderation.
Also, they don't pollute the air or impose on others. Yes, that can be argued.

I grew dark fired tobacco many years ago. My ex husband grew up on a large farm. His father had
tobacco bases. Not just anyone can grow tobacco. You have to have a tobacco base. I'm not sure
what all they use dark fire tobacco for these days. Usually It was primarily used in snuff, chewing
tobacco, pipe tobacco. It wasn't used in cigarettes much.

It's a livelihood CatMonster. You know, the big machinery and big farm plantations are taking
over.....Monsanto and all that. The small farmer is being rooted out bit by bit as large companies
make it impossible for them to survive. Tobacco was always a major crop in states such as
Kentucky and Tennessee. Cut the crop, the farmer's suffer. A little different when it comes to
Jack Daniel.
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#51 by tasman1 » Sun Dec 04, 2016 19:58

Monsanto Law

If your farm is next to Monsanto farm

Wind brings seed from Monsanto farm to your farm .........you pay conpensation to Monsanto

Wind brings seed from Your farm to Monsanto farm.........you pay conpensation to Monsanto

This is not a joke but real law
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#52 by rajukurup » Sun Dec 04, 2016 20:34

smoking is an act of devil to destroy mankind those succumb to it suffer wise people realise this and never go near it always practice the act of God and not devil that's my policy
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#53 by tasman1 » Sun Dec 04, 2016 21:37

CatMonster wrote: But doesn't alcohol cause bigger health problems ?
The government has steadily been increasing the tax on tobaco in europe over many years.
Because of this high tax on tobaco many have stopped smoking or switched to alternative means.
What i'm saying is that european governments are killing their own tax revenue from tobaco. Doesn't make any sense from a financial point of view.


catmonster , You wrong ... govt is not killing tax revenue but increasing

read about tobaco income and profit

Take British American Tobacco (BAT), one of the world’s largest tobacco companies. In 2006, it sold 691 billion cigarettes and had a market valuation of £29.6 billion. In 2014, it sold only 667 billion cigarettes but notched up a year-end valuation of £65.2 billion.

Similarly, Imperial Tobacco has boosted its profitability significantly over the past two decades. Its UK operating margin rose from 49% in 1996 to 68% last year. Remember though, that past performance is not an indicator of what could happen in the future.

One reason for this resilience is that it is easy for tobacco companies to raise prices. Tax accounts for most of the price of a typical premium-brand cigarette packet – in the UK, the figure is almost 80% – so consumers are unlikely to notice if the manufacturer adds a few pence to the overall cost. This incremental price-hiking has helped tobacco companies to make up for falling sales volumes.

Another is consolidation: many tobacco companies have been able to pool resources and cut costs by merging in recent years. The latest big deal was last summer’s US$27 billion (£17 billion) acquisition of Lorillard, America’s third-biggest player, by R.J. Reynolds, the second-biggest.

Widespread bans on tobacco advertising have also had the perverse effect of helping tobacco companies to boost their margins – because they no longer have to spend so much on marketing.
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#54 by valerie » Sun Dec 04, 2016 22:02

A carton of Marlboro in the USA cost roughly about $40.00 that is with tax included.

The price probably varies by about $5.00 from state to state. For example, Kentucky is no doubt one
of the cheaper states. I remember when I was in 8th grade, I paid about .50 cents for a pack of
marlboro in Chicago land. That summer before high school, went to Kentucky and paid .27 cents
for a pack of cigarettes. West Kentucky is tobacco farming country so the prices are cheaper. A
carton of marlboro in Kentucky probably cost about $35.00, a little cheaper than most all other
states.

If I lived in Australia and was a smoker, I guess I would starve to death. I have a hard enough
time imagining people paying more than a buck for a pack of cigarettes and in Australia, I guess
the average price is $16.00 for marlboro. Unbelievable! Eat or Smoke. :lol:
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#55 by valerie » Sun Dec 04, 2016 22:07

The issue with monsanto is they use genetic seeds that do not produce seeds.

They take over the sales of seeds and the farmer cannot buy but monsanto seeds and this also
leaves the farmer vulnerable to pricing. If your crop does not produce seeds, you are wholly
dependent upon purchasing seeds. Can you even begin to see where that is leading?

So, be sure and keep your seeds from whatever you grow IF it is hybrid seeds or not monsanto
seeds. If your fruits and veggies produce seeds, save them. Always plant enough so that you
will have new seeds yearly.
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#56 by tasman1 » Sun Dec 04, 2016 22:11

Valerie , Valerie , 16.00 for pack ??? Not here , nothing under 20.00 here

I smoke a pack , same my wife ,,,, 40 a day combined
Cost per year ....14 600

max pension per person here ...15 500 per year

this is why we are going back to Croatia in 2 years time
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#57 by valerie » Mon Dec 05, 2016 00:24

I think that would be a good enough reason to quit.
At the very least, cut way down.
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#58 by msblahms » Mon Dec 05, 2016 02:21

i smoke cannabis instead of tobacco which costs me only 250-300 dollars a year which is kind of really cheap i tried quitting and failed again and again so now i stick to a policy "quitters are those who cant hold on to it" and now i really believe ill smoke till i die
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