hyldig wrote: Greed is the answer Pindo . Pure and simple . It was discussed here in the country if it was rentable to recycle newspapers and scrap electronic junk etc . The answer turned out to be yes . Those recycling stations we got employ a lot of people and run with a small profit . many of those recycling stations also contain second hand stores selling better end items that just was trown away due to they were not needed anymore to very cheap prices . It is just a matter of presenting the idea the right way .

yes i agree totally my friend,greed is what really hinders progress,each to their own as it is nowadays...if everyone looked out for each other,their neighbour,the guy across the street then perhaps some decent progress could be made,mind you not an answer to all problems but as the saying goes the sea is made up of thousands of droplets of water,,sure would take years

bouldrake honestly mate what you are saying makes sense and is right,but as it stands with the world right now,there is too much to be resolved,,alot of people have ideas and want to make a difference to their lives and for the lives of others,like you said in your previous post,progress is for a few and transgression for many...it isnt easy bringing about a revolution or changing something dramatically unless you got the backup and its that backup ,some people are all mouth,some are active,others too scared,some with little or no hope,society is diverse,its hard to pull together strings of different length.

It isn't easy. It doesn't matter if you've got back up or not - it's just not easy.

But anyone can do it. All you need is to be sufficiently resolute. (And if the whole world is the problem - and I tend to agree - your solution may be similar to mine; isolate yourself from it and start again independently).

I slightly disagree with you Pindo . Try watching the Shot movie The Wave from 1981 . The teacher was asked how the greatest leaders became who the were and as fast as they did . He makes the students create the movement the Wave and have them go recruit members to show them how easy it is done . The movie is actually terrifying since the expiriment totally loses control and the movement The Wave is turning into a world domination movement in a matter of weeks . It is all a matter of how the ideas is presented . Presented the right way the followers will be there faster than you can imagine .

nothing is easy nowadays,someone will always have an issue with someone else or something.

lots of things in my own life have failed too,despite not losing hope and starting again several times,i have finally come to a stage and just have no energy left.
this is on a personal level as to speak,
it is hard to break an established chain i guess but not impossible....a solution to many things but not straightaway or without a struggle anyway.

as humans,we have destroyed,rebuilt,over and over again and this will continue,its the natural nature of man.

hyldig wrote: I slightly disagree with you Pindo . Try watching the Shot movie The Wave from 1981 . The teacher was asked how the greatest leaders became who the were and as fast as they did . He makes the students create the movement the Wave and have them go recruit members to show them how easy it is done . The movie is actually terrifying since the expiriment totally loses control and the movement The Wave is turning into a world domination movement in a matter of weeks . It is all a matter of how the ideas is presented . Presented the right way the followers will be there faster than you can imagine .

thats what i am trying to say hyldig,life is all about agreeing and disagreeing thats why us humans never reach an amicable decision

Hope? What's the use of hope?

Hope is a feel good story for people who haven't figured out how the world works yet.

When there is nothing left to lose - not even hope - that's when you can actually make the difference. When the hope dies, the energy comes back (after a while - it does take months)...generally it comes back in the form of bile, and hatred, anger, and rage, which can be dangerous, but all you have to do is ride the wave, let the beast win, let it takeover...and just cling to enough control, enough of your sanity to nudge the beast towards working in the direction you want to end up in.

The movement the Wave was just started as a social experiment . The students that conducted it more or less turned in to Squadron Commanders and started believing in the Wave them self . At that point the teacher lost control and the students also turned upon him , he wanted to stop he movement and of course became enemy of the Wave . They stroke down on the critics of the movement and muted them the hard way . If you can sell the idea and get the followers there will be no way to stop you and your followers , the followers will multiply if they see you are successful .

hyldig wrote: The movement the Wave was just started as a social experiment . The students that conducted it more or less turned in to Squadron Commanders and started believing in the Wave them self . At that point the teacher lost control and the students also turned upon him , he wanted to stop he movement and of course became enemy of the Wave . They stroke down on the critics of the movement and muted them the hard way . If you can sell the idea and get the followers there will be no way to stop you and your followers , the followers will multiply if they see you are successful .

wow thats scary

On a light note
Just a short [ have no time ]
Progress is dead [ with wife ] . crap , progress is no good , told you