Darkstar2 wrote:

prism1969 wrote: Paypal is gaining momentum in banning sites; they got Neobux on July 9th. There's a long message in their forum about it... First BuxP, then here, now Neo - all the longtime sites... I think Wordlinx is the only one left but they have another business model attached to their ptc so I "think" they are safe.

So did ClixSense and Neobux. It makes no difference. The moment there is PTC in the equation, PayPal wants nothing to do with it. ClixSense was GPT + PTC, mostly GPT lately, yet they lost PayPal. Basically PayPal does not understand the difference between a "BUX" and a genuine "PTC" - both models are totally different, so they take the easy way out and condemn all paid to click sites. Sites might go on without PayPal, BUT, question is now, will this affect the number of ads ? Don,t most advertisers use PayPal ? Will they be willing to open new payment processors, I guess there will likely be a transition but one thing for sure, the SCAM industry will survive. The GOOD guys will be affected but the bad guys will get stronger........ Perfect Money and BITCOIN is what's keeping the scam industry alive, including HYIP.

As far as NB, they have another issue, not only did their PayPal get cut, it is now not possible to cash out from that site for the time being, 4 weeks to be exact, at least.

The problem is *not* PTC itself.
But the model for which all sites that brand themselves *PTC* are using.

You have to understand: PTC is a sub-element of GPT. (Get Paid To)
Many GPT sites have PTC elements and have been using Paypal for ages.

The problem is with Paypal's definition of what constitutes a "PTC site"

All PTC sites have one thing in common: "Paid Upgrades"

Members "pay" money on an intangible in an attempt "chance" to earn more.

It is that very component that is imminent of many classic schemes and it is *THAT* component that Paypal is against.

Quote:It is that very component that is imminent of many classic schemes and it is *THAT* component that Paypal is against.

i would agree as that is the only way you could scam someone is if you spend your money on a site. however i think paypal has just gone one step further and banned anything that looks like it is ptc. will this be expanded i do not know. good thing for me is i take checks and could careless about paypal.

Yup bulk gpt sites if upgrades they free you get them by meeting certain stuff like earning x dollars or getting x active US users under you. When I first got started upgrades were $5-10 and good for life. They were not meant to make money off like sites do now.

lucky35 wrote: I wish all sites had the option of checks. I am paid by check too and like it.

If all sites would give us this option I would love it, however they don't. Payza does have it's issues every so often where they wont give us US members our cash for a few months. However it is an option sometimes.

hlrive wrote:

lucky35 wrote: I wish all sites had the option of checks. I am paid by check too and like it.

If all sites would give us this option I would love it, however they don't. Payza does have it's issues every so often where they wont give us US members our cash for a few months. However it is an option sometimes.

what site won't pay you in check? you are in usa?? i know of none that are legit that won't.

Who needs PayPal anyway? Only the village idiot would trust them, and he moved to the city years ago!

Who's on Twitter? Because this fits the 140 character rule on Twitter..

Stupid rules made by @PayPal have destroyed the PTC industry. We encourage everyone to boycott PayPal immediately. #WeLikePtcSoScrewPayPal!!

Perhaps we could all tweet right now!!

MLivePro wrote: Who needs PayPal anyway? Only the village idiot would trust them, and he moved to the city years ago!

Who's on Twitter? Because this fits the 140 character rule on Twitter..

Stupid rules made by @PayPal have destroyed the PTC industry. We encourage everyone to boycott PayPal immediately. #WeLikePtcSoScrewPayPal!!

Perhaps we could all tweet right now!!

lol @ 140 character rule

MLivePro wrote: Who needs PayPal anyway? Only the village idiot would trust them, and he moved to the city years ago!

Who's on Twitter? Because this fits the 140 character rule on Twitter..

Stupid rules made by @PayPal have destroyed the PTC industry. We encourage everyone to boycott PayPal immediately. #WeLikePtcSoScrewPayPal!!

Perhaps we could all tweet right now!!

Time zooms by. I keep saying the same thing, that I have been working online over 15 years.
The reality, is much scarier. It's more like 25 years.

Y'all can do what you want, obviously.

I just want to inform you of something as you may or may not know.

When PayPal launched, they were a very lenient payment processor. As time moved forward, they got tired
of complaints and would often send emails to the seller to refund to the complainer. PayPal really worked with
people back in the day. If you were doing something they didn't appreciate, they'd tell you.

Unfortunately, as time proceeded PayPal declined they're old stance of helping people in that regard. They
continued to grow just like more and more people got online selling items, launching money programs, etc.
PayPal implemented more and more policies and rules. Users of PayPal had to be responsible and read those
policies, terms, know the rules because if they didn't, they stood to see their account locked if they didn't abide
by them.

Then one day eBay purchased PayPal. You could say that is when the buzzard really hit the fan. More
rules.

Take a guess how much money goes through PayPal through eBay every day? I cannot begin to fathom.

Since the beginning of the very first PayPal complaint, there has been protestors, to say the very least.

The PTC industry to PayPal, is not even pocket change.

PTC's are by far not the first industry that PayPal has locked out. Not by a long shot and it won't be the
last.

Now I want to inform you of a bit more. It's called the FBI, for short. I can't even begin to tell you all
about Cyber Security, Money Laundering, and I won't even dare mention other stuff here.

PayPal is not stupid. To be perfectly frank, they actually do some programs a favor by shutting them out.
Although the program may not ever realize it.

I am not condoning anything PayPal does or does not do. It does not matter if I did or I didn't anyway.

I am saying, being careful what you say online and what petitions you sign online. Stuff is not always
in black and white, at least not at the start.

valerie wrote:

MLivePro wrote: Who needs PayPal anyway? Only the village idiot would trust them, and he moved to the city years ago!

Who's on Twitter? Because this fits the 140 character rule on Twitter..

Stupid rules made by @PayPal have destroyed the PTC industry. We encourage everyone to boycott PayPal immediately. #WeLikePtcSoScrewPayPal!!

Perhaps we could all tweet right now!!

Time zooms by. I keep saying the same thing, that I have been working online over 15 years.
The reality, is much scarier. It's more like 25 years.

Y'all can do what you want, obviously.

I just want to inform you of something as you may or may not know.

When PayPal launched, they were a very lenient payment processor. As time moved forward, they got tired
of complaints and would often send emails to the seller to refund to the complainer. PayPal really worked with
people back in the day. If you were doing something they didn't appreciate, they'd tell you.

Unfortunately, as time proceeded PayPal declined they're old stance of helping people in that regard. They
continued to grow just like more and more people got online selling items, launching money programs, etc.
PayPal implemented more and more policies and rules. Users of PayPal had to be responsible and read those
policies, terms, know the rules because if they didn't, they stood to see their account locked if they didn't abide
by them.

Then one day eBay purchased PayPal. You could say that is when the buzzard really hit the fan. More
rules.

Take a guess how much money goes through PayPal through eBay every day? I cannot begin to fathom.

Since the beginning of the very first PayPal complaint, there has been protestors, to say the very least.

The PTC industry to PayPal, is not even pocket change.

PTC's are by far not the first industry that PayPal has locked out. Not by a long shot and it won't be the
last.

Now I want to inform you of a bit more. It's called the FBI, for short. I can't even begin to tell you all
about Cyber Security, Money Laundering, and I won't even dare mention other stuff here.

PayPal is not stupid. To be perfectly frank, they actually do some programs a favor by shutting them out.
Although the program may not ever realize it.

I am not condoning anything PayPal does or does not do. It does not matter if I did or I didn't anyway.

I am saying, being careful what you say online and what petitions you sign online. Stuff is not always
in black and white, at least not at the start.

Was doing my figuring the other day and realized I have been doing online money making for about 22 years. Things have gotten worse over the years, and yes Paypal has stopped taking payments from all kinds of sites that people complained about. Many of the older Paid to read sites had Paypal accounts locked up years ago, then it was paid to surf sites where you invested $2.00 and made back $3.50. I think we can all remember the FBI closing down Storm Pay and ripping off many Americans hard earned cash. No one ever saw a penny back from any of that. That was when Paypal started getting strict. And now they are after all PTC sites, I swear it is like someone out there doesn't want people to make cash online. Paypal seems to be only good for if you have an online store or buy and sell from Ebay now. Personally I don't do much Ebay any more. I have gotten ripped off to many times with junk being sold as new stuff.

valerie wrote:

MLivePro wrote: Who needs PayPal anyway? Only the village idiot would trust them, and he moved to the city years ago!

Who's on Twitter? Because this fits the 140 character rule on Twitter..

Stupid rules made by @PayPal have destroyed the PTC industry. We encourage everyone to boycott PayPal immediately. #WeLikePtcSoScrewPayPal!!

Perhaps we could all tweet right now!!

Time zooms by. I keep saying the same thing, that I have been working online over 15 years.
The reality, is much scarier. It's more like 25 years.

Y'all can do what you want, obviously.

I just want to inform you of something as you may or may not know.

When PayPal launched, they were a very lenient payment processor. As time moved forward, they got tired
of complaints and would often send emails to the seller to refund to the complainer. PayPal really worked with
people back in the day. If you were doing something they didn't appreciate, they'd tell you.

Unfortunately, as time proceeded PayPal declined they're old stance of helping people in that regard. They
continued to grow just like more and more people got online selling items, launching money programs, etc.
PayPal implemented more and more policies and rules. Users of PayPal had to be responsible and read those
policies, terms, know the rules because if they didn't, they stood to see their account locked if they didn't abide
by them.

Then one day eBay purchased PayPal. You could say that is when the buzzard really hit the fan. More
rules.

Take a guess how much money goes through PayPal through eBay every day? I cannot begin to fathom.

Since the beginning of the very first PayPal complaint, there has been protestors, to say the very least.

The PTC industry to PayPal, is not even pocket change.

PTC's are by far not the first industry that PayPal has locked out. Not by a long shot and it won't be the
last.

Now I want to inform you of a bit more. It's called the FBI, for short. I can't even begin to tell you all
about Cyber Security, Money Laundering, and I won't even dare mention other stuff here.

PayPal is not stupid. To be perfectly frank, they actually do some programs a favor by shutting them out.
Although the program may not ever realize it.

I am not condoning anything PayPal does or does not do. It does not matter if I did or I didn't anyway.

I am saying, being careful what you say online and what petitions you sign online. Stuff is not always
in black and white, at least not at the start.

@valerie,,,, you rock!

Honestly, I see nothing wrong with the PTC model. It's simply paid advertising. Nothing more. Nothing less. You pay the site to put up your ad and people click on and view the site in return for a fee.

I don't think it's much different than PPC like Google Adwords or Facebook Ads. They are charging a fee to show your ad on their site. Same as PTC.

Unfortunately, there is so much scamming going on nowadays in the PTC industry that you cannot really blame some of the payment processors for simply washing their hands of it. The problems that it could potentially bring to their company simply isn't worth whatever profits they could make.

I think ClixSense is making a mistake by simply giving up on their PTC model. I don't really see what's wrong with having upgraded memberships, either.

I don't think anyone will have a problem using Payza or other alternate processors. I know I don't. In a way, it might actually be better because no I can consolidate all of my payments and ad buys using just one processor.

The only real issue I have with Payza is that my bank currently will not accept transfers from them, which is not a big issue for me because I simply use the money in my Payza account to purchase more advertising and exposure for my squeeze pages. I basically re-invest my earnings and use the money to build my list via paid advertising.

While I feel bad to see ClixSense stop selling PTC advertising, I do understand why they did it.

I really love the PTC industry. Although it's not near my main income source nowadays, it is what I first got started online with almost 10 years ago, so there is a little bit of a sentimental aspect to it.

I really hope that the PTC industry will not die out, and will continue to grow and get stronger. I also hope that there will be new ways to detect and stamp out fraud and clean the industry up.

The bottom line is that scammers only get over on people in the short term. They would benefit much more in the long run if they would simply be honest and do it the right way.

I wish ClixSense all the luck in the world going forward, and of course I will continue to support the site.

Will Paypal never be coming back?

goroinogashira wrote: Will Paypal never be coming back?

I don't think so, at least not anytime soon, if at all

valerie wrote:
Now I want to inform you of a bit more. It's called the FBI, for short.

FBI = Female Body Inspector

Just asking

Imagine that you are PayPal

Will you play with PTC industry ??? 99% or more of all PTC are scam . Will you ?

While I agree that there are a lot of "fly by night" PTC sites opening up, taking people's money, and then closing and leaving people with no way to recover their funds, I wouldn't say that 99% of the industry is corrupt.

I think you have to take it on a case-by-case basis. Sites like ClixSense should not be punished for the actions of the bad actors in the industry. This site is as reputable as they come and has been operating legitimately for a decade or more. In fact, ClixSense was the very first site that I ever made an money online with

They shouldn't be punished because of the actions of basically one site. I won't mention any names, but the initials of the site are "TM." This site and it's owner basically gave a bad name to the entire industry. What's worse, the business model of that site cannot really be classified as PTC.

I feel terrible that ClixSense is abandoning their PTC model, but I understand why. I owe ClixSense a huge debt of gratitude for adding thousands of subscribers to my list and hundreds of regular customers to my business. For that, I would like to give them a heartfelt thank-you.

I will continue to support this awesome site, and I will do whatever I can to help them. ClixSense should be remembered as THE model of how to do PTC the RIGHT way!