I was looking at the reverse transaction from 2007 all the way up to now....end of 2017.

What I noticed was 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010 was good years for lack of reversals. In other
words there was few and mostly all 1 centers. Out of all those years, there was only two
$1 dollar reversals.

Then in 2011 things began to change. There was more $1 reversals and as the years
progressed, there was a lot of $1 reversals.

PayPal does not like reversals.

Just saying.

This week, I got 2 notifications about "reversals of reversals" and got credited back

first time I see reversals canceled

CroqueMitaine wrote: This week, I got 2 notifications about "reversals of reversals" and got credited back

first time I see reversals canceled

That's funny but yes I have heard it happening and I think even in my account downline
in the past.

valerie wrote:

CroqueMitaine wrote: This week, I got 2 notifications about "reversals of reversals" and got credited back

first time I see reversals canceled

That's funny but yes I have heard it happening and I think even in my account downline
in the past.

From all surveys I do here on CS I have 5-10 reversal a year [ 60-70% are my ,, mistake,, and I know in advance they will be reversed ] , from the rest that are reversed and no my mistake 10% are credited and reversed again
in all not many surveys are reversed here , to small number to worry about , I just move to next one and never send a ticket

reversal? what's that ??? .... never happened to me ....consistency is my forte

I am not talking about reversals on surveys or offers.

I am talking about PayPal and reversals hitting the CS PayPal account.

There was a lot of upgrades and members that paid for the upgrade then
turning around and wanting their money back.

And if that happened here imagine spread across
simular sites. . .

I had never looked at that before so I found it very interesting.

What happen in 2011 onward that resulted in significant increases
of upgrade reversals?

More junk sign ups
Members making promises they don't keep
Site too confusing
Inaccurate Information being relayed
Site too busy
Lack of emails
?

I was wondering that to...

Did it happen orderly?

Like ClixSense pro actively dumping inactive members.

No. Members are not deleted from CS but I am referring to reversals and
primarily the upgrade fee. To be fair, I can't say that they are all PayPal
upgrades of course. Back at one point we had AlertPay for awhile.

This is where the big gap begins:

38,033,839 24 Mar 2011 08:26 EST Commission Reversal Premium Upgrade Related to Transaction #38,009,724 Complete - -$1.0000

2,589,057 03 Jul 2010 07:11 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #2,556,412 Complete - -$0.1000

Notice that I had no reversals from mid 2010 to mid 2011.

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342,379,510 18 Jul 2017 06:40 EST Commission Reversal Premium Upgrade Related to Transaction #293,428,640 Complete - -$1.0000
341,562,012 13 Jul 2017 09:27 EST Commission Reversal Premium Upgrade Related to Transaction #336,604,247 Complete - -$1.0000
339,851,684 04 Jul 2017 09:29 EST Commission Reversal Premium Upgrade Related to Transaction #304,082,777 Complete - -$1.0000
339,851,598 04 Jul 2017 09:28 EST Commission Reversal Premium Upgrade Related to Transaction #305,194,170 Complete - -$1.0000
325,112,153 24 Apr 2017 10:24 EST Commission Reversal Premium Offer Related to Transaction #316,027,179 Complete - -$0.0630
317,269,455 16 Mar 2017 11:27 EST Commission Reversal Premium Upgrade Related to Transaction #315,339,068 Complete - -$1.0000
313,752,529 27 Feb 2017 13:49 EST Commission Reversal Premium Upgrade Related to Transaction #313,749,126 Complete - -$1.0000
313,748,961 27 Feb 2017 13:41 EST Commission Reversal Premium Upgrade Related to Transaction #313,748,770 Complete - -$1.0000
313,748,638 27 Feb 2017 13:41 EST Commission Reversal Premium Upgrade Related to Transaction #313,544,991 Complete - -$1.0000
308,895,526 02 Feb 2017 20:40 EST Commission Reversal Premium Upgrade Related to Transaction #308,250,317 Complete - -$1.0000
306,686,821 22 Jan 2017 20:29 EST Commission Reversal Premium Upgrade Related to Transaction #306,276,221 Complete - -$1.0000
304,597,154 11 Jan 2017 09:20 EST Commission Reversal Premium Upgrade Related to Transaction #304,468,665 Complete - -$1.0000
303,714,919 06 Jan 2017 11:13 EST Commission Reversal Premium Offer Related to Transaction #292,439,320 Complete - -$0.1430
300,164,202 20 Dec 2016 03:25 EST Commission Reversal Premium Upgrade Related to Transaction #299,674,809 Complete - -$1.0000
297,338,140 07 Dec 2016 11:10 EST Commission Reversal Premium Offer Related to Transaction #290,250,305 Complete - -$0.0680
275,710,009 18 Aug 2016 03:38 EST Commission Reversal Premium Upgrade Related to Transaction #275,667,655 Complete - -$1.0000
275,400,284 16 Aug 2016 12:34 EST Commission Reversal Premium Offer Related to Transaction #272,460,965 Complete - -$0.0730
266,523,281 29 Jun 2016 10:45 EST Commission Reversal Premium Offer Related to Transaction #257,581,103 Complete - -$0.0240
266,514,005 29 Jun 2016 09:59 EST Commission Reversal Premium Upgrade Related to Transaction #266,483,040 Complete - -$1.0000
266,211,160 28 Jun 2016 10:42 EST Commission Reversal Premium Sale Related to Transaction #4,166 Complete - -$0.0600
256,292,913 09 May 2016 18:17 EST Commission Reversal Premium Upgrade Related to Transaction #256,245,529 Complete - -$1.0000
247,569,647 28 Mar 2016 09:02 EST Commission Reversal Premium Offer Related to Transaction #244,729,705 Complete - -$0.0850
241,161,604 26 Feb 2016 14:47 EST Commission Reversal Premium Upgrade Related to Transaction #239,251,425 Complete - -$1.0000
241,080,622 26 Feb 2016 06:50 EST Commission Reversal Premium Upgrade Related to Transaction #241,077,163 Complete - -$1.0000
239,185,118 17 Feb 2016 11:27 EST Commission Reversal Premium Upgrade Related to Transaction #239,076,865 Complete - -$1.0000
216,339,711 02 Nov 2015 14:18 EST Commission Reversal Premium Offer Related to Transaction #206,750,179 Complete - -$0.1280
212,558,733 15 Oct 2015 21:28 EST Commission Reversal Premium Upgrade Related to Transaction #212,538,035 Complete - -$1.0000
206,344,798 16 Sep 2015 08:35 EST Commission Reversal Premium Offer Related to Transaction #200,742,831 Complete - -$0.0940
195,988,545 16 Jul 2015 13:58 EST Commission Reversal Premium Upgrade Related to Transaction #179,329,061 Complete - -$1.0000
193,959,999 03 Jul 2015 09:06 EST Commission Reversal Premium Upgrade Related to Transaction #192,325,523 Complete - -$1.0000
180,029,791 16 Apr 2015 15:46 EST Commission Reversal Premium Offer Related to Transaction #174,518,071 Complete - -$0.1000
162,991,484 18 Dec 2014 21:54 EST Commission Reversal Premium Upgrade Related to Transaction #162,988,747 Complete - -$1.0000
128,952,621 24 Mar 2014 11:16 EST Commission Reversal Premium Upgrade Related to Transaction #124,213,075 Complete - -$1.0000
126,559,437 03 Mar 2014 08:51 EST Commission Reversal Premium Upgrade Related to Transaction #123,447,414 Complete - -$1.0000
125,349,845 21 Feb 2014 15:13 EST Commission Reversal Premium Upgrade Related to Transaction #124,377,244 Complete - -$1.0000
123,292,755 04 Feb 2014 12:40 EST Commission Reversal Premium Offer Related to Transaction #118,852,322 Complete - -$0.0940
100,837,994 21 Jul 2013 09:55 EST Commission Reversal Premium Upgrade Related to Transaction #100,826,565 Complete - -$1.0000
98,738,724 01 Jul 2013 07:08 EST Commission Reversal Premium Upgrade Related to Transaction #98,579,012 Complete - -$1.0000
94,408,683 20 May 2013 13:42 EST Commission Reversal Premium Upgrade Related to Transaction #94,319,701 Complete - -$1.0000
92,095,762 26 Apr 2013 09:18 EST Commission Reversal Premium Upgrade Related to Transaction #92,019,188 Complete - -$1.0000
86,239,505 26 Feb 2013 14:57 EST Commission Reversal Premium Upgrade Related to Transaction #85,171,639 Complete - -$1.0000
81,713,812 11 Jan 2013 19:44 EST Commission Reversal Premium Offer Related to Transaction #81,704,062 Complete - -$0.0850
74,815,912 24 Oct 2012 13:53 EST Commission Reversal Premium Upgrade Related to Transaction #73,085,637 Complete - -$1.0000
64,862,157 18 Jun 2012 08:34 EST Commission Reversal Premium Upgrade Related to Transaction #63,952,918 Complete - -$1.0000
64,511,793 13 Jun 2012 14:14 EST Commission Reversal Premium Upgrade Related to Transaction #51,731,235 Complete - -$1.0000
61,307,120 02 May 2012 08:51 EST Commission Reversal Premium Upgrade Related to Transaction #61,238,245 Complete - -$1.0000
59,070,447 02 Apr 2012 15:32 EST Commission Reversal Premium Upgrade Related to Transaction #59,048,203 Complete - -$1.0000
57,696,860 14 Mar 2012 18:44 EST Commission Reversal Premium Upgrade Related to Transaction #56,058,046 Complete - -$1.0000
55,995,167 20 Feb 2012 08:42 EST Commission Reversal Premium Upgrade Related to Transaction #55,923,439 Complete - -$1.0000
54,930,729 05 Feb 2012 12:39 EST Commission Reversal Premium Upgrade Related to Transaction #54,585,517 Complete - -$1.0000
54,728,820 02 Feb 2012 14:09 EST Commission Reversal Premium Upgrade Related to Transaction #46,523,446 Complete - -$1.0000
45,422,200 21 Aug 2011 17:24 EST Commission Reversal Premium Upgrade Related to Transaction #45,420,024 Complete - -$1.0000
38,033,839 24 Mar 2011 08:26 EST Commission Reversal Premium Upgrade Related to Transaction #38,009,724 Complete - -$1.0000

Before 2011


2,589,057 03 Jul 2010 07:11 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #2,556,412 Complete - -$0.1000
2,538,574 20 Jun 2010 07:11 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #2,508,918 Complete - -$0.1000
2,429,433 22 May 2010 01:10 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #2,400,866 Complete - -$0.1000
2,294,461 18 Apr 2010 01:11 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #2,264,637 Complete - -$0.1000
2,220,165 30 Mar 2010 01:10 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #2,186,775 Complete - -$0.1000
2,189,493 23 Mar 2010 01:10 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #2,157,957 Complete - -$0.1000
2,171,662 18 Mar 2010 23:58 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #2,137,121 Complete - -$0.1000
2,160,563 16 Mar 2010 01:10 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #2,131,734 Complete - -$0.1000
2,160,444 16 Mar 2010 01:10 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #2,130,847 Complete - -$0.1000
2,156,693 15 Mar 2010 01:12 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #2,128,247 Complete - -$0.1000
2,107,189 02 Mar 2010 01:11 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #2,079,684 Complete - -$0.1000
2,103,751 01 Mar 2010 01:11 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #2,075,866 Complete - -$0.1000
2,084,390 24 Feb 2010 01:11 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #2,057,174 Complete - -$0.1000
2,070,397 20 Feb 2010 01:10 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #2,042,955 Complete - -$0.1000
2,063,062 18 Feb 2010 01:10 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #2,037,101 Complete - -$0.1000
2,005,711 02 Feb 2010 01:10 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #1,975,299 Complete - -$0.1000
1,954,423 19 Jan 2010 01:10 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #1,925,995 Complete - -$0.1000
1,939,314 15 Jan 2010 01:10 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #1,907,079 Complete - -$0.1000
1,849,148 19 Dec 2009 01:10 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #1,824,566 Complete - -$0.1000
1,838,557 15 Dec 2009 15:37 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #1,782,157 Complete - -$0.1000
1,823,204 10 Dec 2009 10:56 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #1,766,251 Complete - -$0.1000
1,809,280 10 Dec 2009 10:55 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #1,714,974 Complete - -$0.1000
1,806,879 10 Dec 2009 10:55 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #1,701,735 Complete - -$0.1000
1,806,402 10 Dec 2009 10:55 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #1,700,164 Complete - -$0.1000
1,560,632 27 Sep 2009 06:43 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #1,529,645 Complete - -$0.1000
1,463,094 30 Aug 2009 05:26 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #1,434,979 Complete - -$0.1000
1,357,537 25 Jul 2009 20:04 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #1,295,483 Complete - -$0.1000
1,149,150 08 Mar 2009 04:13 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #1,141,504 Complete - -$0.1000
1,088,880 25 Jan 2009 03:08 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #1,078,693 Complete - -$0.1000
1,050,489 04 Jan 2009 02:57 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #1,042,435 Complete - -$0.1000
1,006,765 07 Dec 2008 03:01 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #998,827 Complete - -$0.1000
971,448 16 Nov 2008 03:03 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #953,510 Complete - -$0.1000
888,993 05 Oct 2008 02:52 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #871,150 Complete - -$0.1000
867,387 22 Sep 2008 10:55 EST Commission Reversal Premium Upgrade Related to Transaction #866,565 Complete - -$1.0000
867,382 22 Sep 2008 10:54 EST Commission Reversal Premium Upgrade Related to Transaction #866,661 Complete - -$1.0000
799,785 12 Aug 2008 17:58 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #799,743 Complete - -$0.1000
796,019 10 Aug 2008 02:12 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #775,525 Complete - -$0.1000
783,383 03 Aug 2008 02:17 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #773,800 Complete - -$0.1000
783,195 03 Aug 2008 02:14 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #770,695 Complete - -$0.1000
783,089 03 Aug 2008 02:13 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #764,969 Complete - -$0.1000
769,732 27 Jul 2008 03:29 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #758,507 Complete - -$0.1000
649,384 23 May 2008 14:12 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #636,404 Complete - -$0.1000
643,735 18 May 2008 03:20 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #623,020 Complete - -$0.1000
637,693 17 May 2008 18:54 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #637,647 Complete - -$0.1000
599,932 27 Apr 2008 02:36 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #591,093 Complete - -$0.1000
552,403 30 Mar 2008 02:13 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #535,114 Complete - -$0.1000
518,662 09 Mar 2008 03:25 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #507,922 Complete - -$0.1000
478,590 17 Feb 2008 02:22 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #457,684 Complete - -$0.1000
453,296 03 Feb 2008 02:31 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #433,637 Complete - -$0.1000
401,843 06 Jan 2008 03:26 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #383,127 Complete - -$0.1000
389,950 30 Dec 2007 02:34 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #381,178 Complete - -$0.1000
356,187 09 Dec 2007 02:20 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #339,974 Complete - -$0.1000
335,686 28 Nov 2007 11:17 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #280,714 Complete - -$0.1000
335,685 28 Nov 2007 11:17 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #290,538 Complete - -$0.1000
335,684 28 Nov 2007 11:17 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #294,812 Complete - -$0.1000
335,683 28 Nov 2007 11:17 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #310,131 Complete - -$0.1000
335,681 28 Nov 2007 11:17 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #313,888 Complete - -$0.1000
335,680 28 Nov 2007 11:16 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #320,938 Complete - -$0.1000
335,679 28 Nov 2007 11:16 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #321,839 Complete - -$0.1000
159,146 26 Aug 2007 22:09 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #149,879 Complete - -$0.1000
128,224 06 Aug 2007 14:58 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #123,124 Complete - -$0.1000
107,296 23 Jul 2007 10:59 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #75,880 Complete - -$0.1000
107,293 23 Jul 2007 10:55 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #105,780 Complete - -$0.1000
71,718 29 Jun 2007 11:43 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #50,018 Complete - -$0.1000
59,636 20 Jun 2007 14:09 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #56,888 Complete - -$0.1000
47,841 11 Jun 2007 14:57 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #44,000 Complete - -$0.1000
41,065 05 Jun 2007 13:32 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #40,719 Complete - -$0.1000
41,019 05 Jun 2007 12:54 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #40,832 Complete - -$0.1000
40,119 04 Jun 2007 15:28 EST Commission Reversal Premium Signup Related to Transaction #39,928 Complete - -$0.1000

So if you look at that, you will see from 2007 thru 2010 there was only 2 upgrade reversals.

Come 2011, things dramatically changed because there was a lot of upgrade reversals.

valerie wrote: So if you look at that, you will see from 2007 thru 2010 there was only 2 upgrade reversals.

Come 2011, things dramatically changed because there was a lot of upgrade reversals.

I think it had to do with Clixsense scaling.

More members were joining Clixsense, and your downlines, so you started seeing more and more reversals.

I believe it all comes down to how many premium users you had below you pre-2011 and after.

I looked at the Internet Archive for 2011.

Did not see any major changes CS Affiliate program...

Forum was "Coming Soon".
Wonder how that worked out...

New World and surveys facts

Fake , this is fake virtual world

pool , what you think about president x....pool from 1000 people ? 1000 from 450 million ? can be real ?
unemployment rate , 5000 people answer survey .....2000 from 25 million ? can it be real
product x 2kg 5 dollar , now 1.5 kg , will you pay bla bla but one can put min price at 6 dollar? real ?
million more examples ....all real ?

better not talk what I think
only blonde and her dog are still real [ like that , just not sure yet what I like , blonde or dog ]

Well yeah there was some major updates to the program.

John was the original owner and then Jim took it over but i can't remember what
year that was. Maybe after a few years in.

The affiliate program did change. Originally it was 5 levels. I think the upgrade
fee originally was $10.00.

I can't remember what year the fee increased but it went up to something like
$13.00, I think. The levels changed to 8 deep.

It seems there was over 20,000 in my organization at one point. Maybe more.
Out of those, the upgrades stayed at around 1,000 to 1,400. Something like
that.

I think with the increasing numbers, there may have been members that simply
did not promote it the right way. I know there has been members that made
promises to referrals that they did not keep.

I always found it odd that someone would request their upgrade fee back. For
starters it was and is crazy low for an entire year and secondly why upgrade in
the first place.

ClixSense is among the most stable PTCs right now which was established in 2007. The site was initially owned by Steve Girsky (also the founder of an electronic payment processor – StormPay).
Jim took over ClixSense & Adhitz in 2010 and has put in a lot of effort to make ClixSense what it is today.


As I though, Admin is the problem...


That was a joke, I will self report myself...

DannyChiarelli wrote: ClixSense is among the most stable PTCs right now which was established in 2007. The site was initially owned by Steve Girsky (also the founder of an electronic payment processor – StormPay).
Jim took over ClixSense & Adhitz in 2010 and has put in a lot of effort to make ClixSense what it is today.


As I though, Admin is the problem...


That was a joke, I will self report myself...

There may have been a little hesitation in regards to some people joining CS with Steve
and John as owner but I kind of doubt it. Even tho Stormpay had problems and went
down, most people really liked it.

Stormpay was a great payment processor, especially for marketers. They had a no
bs approach. They were not about babysitting. If you paid someone money and that
connection did not pan out, that was your baby not there's. In other words people
are responsible for their own decisions. Unlike PayPal that plays daddy and tries to
control what people do with their money.

I don't know what gave them the idea to launch a payment processor. Steve is a
lawyer. John had dabbled in various programs online and launched some programs
that did not fly. I always assumed that Steve and John were/are buddies offline.

Jim made a lot of updates when he took over and for the better. I guess it went
through more of a growth period after that and I do suspect there were members
making promises to recruits and/or telling them lies period about how much money
they could make, etc.

PS. I don't think Steve ever owned CS, he owned SP.

When did NB start poaching failing PTC sites?

Poaching is probably not a fair word to use,
but I remember NB made an offer that could
not be refused. Just don't know when.

I don't know what you mean about NB.

They may have purchased some of the old databases from deceased
PTC's so they could rent/sell them to their members.

When NB launched, the first day, I signed up. I never received a confirmation
and therefore could not log in. After some hours or a day or two, I sent them
an email stating I did not receive the confirmation. The email in reply I did
receive and it was a snotty reply. It turned me off. I did log in a couple of
times and even used it for about a week but I didn't like it. I didn't like that
they rented/sold referrals in such high numbers.

When I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that a program is focusing on
scamming their members, it's just a huge turn off to me. When a company
or a program sells what they know are bots and/or inactive referrals and/or
dead email accounts and/or dead people, etc, I tend to lose interest very
quickly.