rajukurup wrote:

suraraj wrote: India is a country where huge unemployment are there and so many companies exploit people like slaves. So that is not the right comparison for this. Opinion may be there and may not be acceptable to you but you have to respect other persons opinion. Do not close your eyes and live.

What rubbish are you speaking. Here people are expressing their opinions . If you have any bias remove that .opinions of other people may be different from you and you have a feeling that only your opinions are exact .This forum is a place for arguments and people may contradict you and you should not think that they are insulting you. Here people do respect others opinions, so such contradictions arise and it is taken in a positive way and not as viewed by you. So open your eyes and give importance to contradictory comments also; as people have different mindset and attitude from yours

I would request to stop using words that may insult others. I find that you are always trying to insult others by calling others views as rubbish.

suraraj wrote:

rajukurup wrote:

suraraj wrote: India is a country where huge unemployment are there and so many companies exploit people like slaves. So that is not the right comparison for this. Opinion may be there and may not be acceptable to you but you have to respect other persons opinion. Do not close your eyes and live.

What rubbish are you speaking. Here people are expressing their opinions . If you have any bias remove that .opinions of other people may be different from you and you have a feeling that only your opinions are exact .This forum is a place for arguments and people may contradict you and you should not think that they are insulting you. Here people do respect others opinions, so such contradictions arise and it is taken in a positive way and not as viewed by you. So open your eyes and give importance to contradictory comments also; as people have different mindset and attitude from yours

I would request to stop using words that may insult others. I find that you are always trying to insult others by calling others views as rubbish.

I have no reply to this bcoz I stated it earlier of your attitude ;if you felt insulted you should know that others also have same feeling . don't be aggressive, this is normal in discussions ,be cool and work without any bias .all the best. You may consider these words too as insult ,no problem

To be blunt and direct, the issue IS the routers.

If you go to say ClixSenseResearch or PineCone or ClearVoiceSurveys or
any of those, you will never or very rarely encounter what you experience
in routers here.

BUT and it is a. big BUT, those programs are for those primarily in the USA.
I said PRIMARILY. In addition, they are not going to pay much if anything
in the way of an affiliate commission.

So when you go thru these routers, you are going thru a high speed highway.

Think of it like....well say you are in India and you are going down your road
to the store that is one block away. That is PineCone for example. Now say
you are going to another city that you must make turns, lots of stop lights,
etc.....that is routers.

I know I am not explaining it very well. Just know it is very common to run
into the issues you experience here when doing surveys. This is what you
must realize and members such as Darkstar, others, myself, realize this fact.
Should you not complain? No. Change comes when people work to make
change and when what we want changed, is consistently confronted.

Errors can happen when going thru the routers here because there is a long
route to process, because quota is met whilst you are in the midst of taking
the survey, because strict rules implement against speeding, and a host of
other stuff.

What you can do is make yourself some rules. Your rules may look like this:
EXAMPLE

Low pay surveys I will only spend 10 minutes of my time....if it takes longer than 10 minutes, I will close it.
I will only do CINT surveys because they always pay me and all the others do not.
I will only do CINT surveys because they never reverse the credit.

These routers are very useful they don't pay much and will not reverse but will help get to your bonus everyday,while trying to qualify for daily surveys that you get in your survey page,I heard some new members trying these routers regularly to earn it's a very nice way to get earnings going,we are all facing the same problems of disqualification,quato full,surveys not paying for time spent,its not that I am doing better than others who have been long enough here,but we still think differently,we are all here to stay,just don't get personal with other members.

Right, there is a distinct difference between DIRECT panel surveys and ROUTERS, indeed. Routers not only route you to the appropriate surveys, BUT they also monetize traffic and collect and earn from your data along the way, while DIRECT panels (for the most part) earn from the actual surveys only. Market researchers usually pay by the question or it may be a fixed amount depending on the deal.

As far as Pinecone, it is one of the best in my opinion. I have never once disqualified from their surveys. The only way you can disqualify is if you speed through, answer with reading question or answer something different than what you provided in your profile, i.e. you say you eat cereal, but in the survey you answer you never ate cereal.

Here is the problem though. There are pros and cons to routers / direct surveys.

With Direct Surveys, the quality of the surveys is much higher because the profiles they keep on you are more granular, and complete, so they can target the survey as they have extensive amount of information from you, which routers do not have or have very limited info of, including the profilers on CS. The down side, the inventory is low for that one given panel, so you get less surveys and less earnings, even though the pay per survey is several times higher, in the example of Pinecone, at $3 fixed amount per survey, but would usually get maybe 1 to 3 invites per month.

With routers, the inventory of surveys is exponentially higher, because they use inventory from a large amount of panels and suppliers (hence, router, they drive you to the survey, which can be one of thousands of 3rd party providers).
So inventory is higher, but quality is lower. However, in the long time, you will earn more money from routers over a length of time, but it's relative to the higher amount of time you will spend compared to a direct panel.

This is why I have preferred routers over direct panels. As far as COMPLAINERS, there are several kinds of complainers. I can understand that one particular kind is usually frowned upon..... The ones that do not provide input or have not contributed much.

Here are examples in my book about complainers that might be frowned upon by some:

1) Those who newly joined and barely made few attempts and complain that the site is poor or how situation is bad or how it is impossible to earn from surveys. It would be unreasonable to complain in such situations.
2) Be too vague in your complaints: i.e. "Avoid doing surveys they all suck" "Avoid this router they suck", etc. Just complaining alone is unhelpful

Whereas when the arguments are backed up with facts, examples, experiences, etc, it is more helpful IMO and should NOT be frowned upon:

Like this:

1) BEWARE this router survey project # 12345678 I filled the whole survey and at the end I was told survey is closed.

In this case it is a complaint that is HELPFUL because it informs other contributors that a given project is closed, so that people would not waste their time going through the survey. Each individual survey has its own project ID for that given router.

2) I have attempted dozens of surveys on this router and in 100% cases was told that the survey is off qu ota at the END of the surveys.

Some complaints may simply be about communicating frustration or caution and are acceptable IMO within reason

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Example of a bad complaint: I hate this router, and whoever runs it should be tortured

This above, is a perfect example of a BAD type of complaint that should be frowned upon and not tolerated.

So this is why it bothers me to see some people label all complainers into one category.

Surveys you disqualify to is NOT an issue, it is NOT a problem, and never was. It is expected that you will DQ to most surveys through routers.

The problem is bad inventory. Expired surveys should be promptly removed. Broken surveys, technical issues.

I've still seen xmas 2018 shopping surveys circulating on routers, I kid you not, obviously these surveys are closed, but yet you must go through the entire survey only to be told at the END that the survey is not accepting new answers. :/

So even though it is annoying to a survey taker, the routers who still carry what I call "dead inventory", are still benefiting from the data collection.

Now routers will place the blame on the suppliers, suppliers will place the blame on routers, it seems the blame is being circulated. In my opinion the ultimate responsible is the project lead / manager for that particular survey.

One thing I must say though from my own observation, sample cube has declined in quality, TAP research is one of the worst IMO in terms of inventory. Samplicious that a lot of people dislike, is one of the biggest providers to other routers, I don't know if they are on par with Toluna or greater. Toluna is also another big, exclusive provider for the GIveYour2Cents, and OpinionSurveys.

If BAD inventory gets removed, it would free up much more time for contributors to go through actual surveys, as at the moment, in my opinion we are spending more time sifting through the garbage to get surveys, flushing out the bad inventory, instead of actually working on valid surveys, and this has nothing to do with disqualifying.

And last but not least, an example of how complainers make change happen, sometimes not right away but it's better than never - and this concerns mostly site owners who ran routers in the old glory days which worked on pixel firing. In these old days the platforms used pixel fire to confirm survey completion. What happened is that people figured out how to fire pixels on their own even if they did not qualify for a survey, sending a confirmation to the site panel they are on and getting paid. Obviously site owners were losing money big time, some in the tens and thousands of $, so they complained - and so did actual survey takers due to the site owners forced to lower pay by sometimes 50%-60% to help cover the reversals. Eventually these networks being flooded with complaints decided to act and fix the "loophole", now you see those surveys back up to their higher rates, because most platforms configure server side confirming or a combination of other methods, and they fixed the pixel firing fraud on the routers, which was the most popular fraud.

People who stay quiet and tell other people to stay quiet, are the reason this society is living in status quo and going nowhere.

In those old days of surveys, some site owners paid ONCE monthly. One thing is now we have the privilege of being paid once a week, and I have seen some GPT sites pay DAILY and some pay instantly......

Sometimes complaints get no result - that is unfortunate, but you tried. I.e. people have been complaining for 7 years about CrowdFlower's support, platform, tasks etc, has anything changed for the better ? NO. Should all these people have NOT complained ? No - you cannot know in advance - If you don't complain you get nothing guaranteed.

Another example, a testing company that everyone knows that was part of the tasks, they were horrible in their beginnings. Luckily a group of testers, including myself have been vocal, over opinionated and complaining a lot, all the while providing constructive suggestions on how to improve. It took a lot of time but luckily their company has improved by miles, while their support quality is still poor IMO, their platform, speed, features, rules have taken a major rehaul and they are much better now for that, though they declined in some areas which is unfortunate, overall they have grown and improved.

This might be similar to a saying if you don't ask, you don't receive, it doesn't mean that you will get every time you ask, but if you never ask and never complain, you will never get, and you will never be heard.

Those who are constantly bashing senior members here, who have worked hard and remained loyal, are actually unhelpful and counter productive, even though that does not remove their privilege to do so, as it is a free world, it's ju st an annoyance. This does not mean that complainers are always reasonable or always right, but it's important to look at the whole picture, if a complainer has contributed mostly with helpful posts, you would not bash him when he complains a few times, people should be judged as a whole, what they have done over the period of time they are here. CS has been extremely lenient here for that, and this is a good thing. Unfortunately, for another company (unrelated to PTC) they destroy careers even after years of good service over a few posts that are misinterpreted.
Long life to ClixSense and similar sites.

As far as censoring people like that and preventing them from participating on forum or your topics, I'm against that, we need all kinds of contributors in a community when done within reason and if it is not personal attacks.

Arvind9 wrote: These routers are very useful they don't pay much and will not reverse but will help get to your bonus everyday,while trying to qualify for daily surveys that you get in your survey page,I heard some new members trying these routers regularly to earn it's a very nice way to get earnings going,we are all facing the same problems of disqualification,quato full,surveys not paying for time spent,its not that I am doing better than others who have been long enough here,but we still think differently,we are all here to stay,just don't get personal with other members.

Reversals is a growing reality. No routers is exempt from that. In the old days some routers absorbed reversals, the way they did that was to pay a considerably lower fee. For instance, 30 cents instead of 80 cents, and these were FIXED rated, so whether the initial survey was worth $2 or $4, you were always paid x amount of cents, creating a reserve fund to help them absorb reversals. They probably realized their conversion rates were low too. Now with the rates that are back up and variable, reversals can happen on ANY router. The router is just a brand name, there is an actual company that runs them, I don't think I can mention them,but these are the companies that CS and others deal with directly, so if a survey is denied from a router, it will reflect on the affiliate network's transaction reports. CS probably uses an automated system to detect reversals directly from the reports and apply them to member accounts. Nobody and no router is immune from reversals. Reversals don't always occur due to fraud though, there are instances where surveys go OVER inventory and the surplus is discarded. Much like airlines over book, sometimes survey researchers go above the sample to account for a % of bias in quality, so regardless of how honest every survey taker is, there will always be a % of reversals from the global inventory. The key here is consistency, if you get too many reversals or more than you earn, then the problem is likely quality of your input.

Of course there is the issue of abuse and dishonest market researchers, but that's another story.

Surveys are subject to more scrutiny now more than ever before. The amount of surveys are growing year after year, as the trend now is online surveys over traditional over the phone / postal methods, so expect surveys to increase year after year, and expect survey takers to increase in numbers too, with that comes more "scrubbing" of data, some honest survey takers will always be victim to reversals, though if you get 20-30 reversals in one month out of the 100 surveys you complete, that's a BIG problem

I think the ClixSense pre-screen system needs updating...



...And it just takes too long to sift through surveys, adding to the frustration of being disqualified.


As to reversals,
I got a few. Maybe three or four out of thousands of survey completes.

I got a few bonuses to, an extra payment months after the survey complete.

One reversal was reversed...

A very good example of a complaint posted, was recently.

The member did not have a lot to say but made him/herself very clear.
It was posted in the offers/surveys sub forum in which the member posted
something like a CINT $0.27 cents was reversed after one year.

So what happen?

Well I saw the topic and I read it. It kind of got my crawl to read that
the member had made .27 cents to see it get reversed an entire year
later!

I submitted a support ticket and the topic was read by admin. Admin
replied that CINT surveys would not be reversed after such a long
period of time (90 days I think he said).

This is what I mean about 'ethical complaints' so to speak. You know if
I read a bunch of cussing and ranting and raving and carrying on, I don't
really take much heed to it. When I read a to the point complaint, I tend
to take it more seriously. I think most people do take topics/post/complaints
more serious when it is to the point and not a bunch of headless chicken
quaking.

I am happy that this post has been a success. Many experienced members like Valerie. Darkstar2 ,Aravind9 have shared their valuable opinions here. Their opinions will be very useful to many members especially the new ones who feel frustrated by disqualifications. This forum is actually meant for such positive attitudes and arguments but unfortunately very few people don't consider these positive aspects and portrays arguments as insult to them .