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Thank you!

Also keep different passwords on different sites. I know people who have had site admins try to access their other accounts using the passwords stored on the admin's site (and this is discovered because they use unique passwords)

Singhrajgopal07 wrote: Just saw a skrill option of 10$ with 0.10$ processing fee.....

YES!

Quote:Congrats on your redemption!

$50.50 have been deducted from your account for this purchase.

We are currently processing your order. You will be notified via e-mail when your order is ready.

And that was $50 US!

Thank you Ysense team!

You would think keeping all payouts in US $ would be more beneficial to the site. By not having to calculate the exchange rate at all times they would save a lot of processing power and there would be no disputes regarding poor exchange rates. Just set it to US$ and forget it. Let users find their own methods for conversion

Darkstar2 wrote: I'm kinda lost can you elaborate ? Since the majority of PTC sites out there were ponzi schemes, fly by night operations, etc, it's no wonder that the industry earned a bad name - and the majority of advertisers on these sites were promoting fraudulent sites (HYIP), ponzi and deceptive garbage, it's not like they have a choice, they cannot bring back PTC due to PayPal's policies.

As far as Karma, I lost you there too, what do you mean ? Which site ? Which injustice ?

So what was CS? Was that a ponzi scheme too? Yes, there were many bad actors but obviously the concept had potential or it wouldn't have helped to grow CS into an $11 million business.

If you don't get the karma quote then I won't explain it to you.

Paypal has stolen a lot of money from a lot of people via the freezing of accounts on dubious claims. They work more with scammers (people who make fraudulent chargebacks) than many of the ponzi sites so they are definitely not clean

Darkstar2 wrote:

dsbe wrote: bring back our pay to click!

PTC is *NEVER* coming back on this site or ANY GPT site, it is prohibited by PayPal. Any existing PTC that uses PayPal is doing so illegally and people using their accounts on these site risk getting them terminated.

Then they have probably chosen the wrong 'horse' to back. They have chosen a proven enemy of our industry over one that continues to produce results

This is - for lack of a better term - karma. This site did an injustice to many people and now it is paying the price

bring back our pay to click!

Darkstar2 wrote:

dsbe wrote:

Darkstar2 wrote:

dsbe wrote: What about that rewards link card. Is that giving us the proper exchange? Has anybody tried it?

No it isn't - the rewards link (Tango) is using USD 1:1 CAD, so for a $10 CAD it will deduct $10 USD from your balance.

I've never used Tango before, maybe your tango balance is in USD I dunno how it works, but I see on my panel the Canadian flag on the card, someone would have to volunteer to test it, I'm not I've already done my fair share for this month

I saw that too which is why I was asking. I also did not want to volunteer 3 bucks to find out the bad news. I would use paypal but it is a hassle and huge cost to convert that to BTC so I'm holding out for skrill

Did a test run with a home made banner. Got some but nothing too impressive

proadco wrote:

If members have no logged in for 10 years, they are just taking up data space

Some are taking up data space when they do log in...

Darkstar2 wrote:

dsbe wrote: What about that rewards link card. Is that giving us the proper exchange? Has anybody tried it?

No it isn't - the rewards link (Tango) is using USD 1:1 CAD, so for a $10 CAD it will deduct $10 USD from your balance.

dansbanners wrote:

Darkstar2 wrote: I do not believe the site is ready to be promoted. There are certain critical issues that need to be addressed.
until people can confirm with 100% certainty that the affiliate stats are being displayed correctly and that there are no issues with any router not crediting, and that all manual credits for missing credits be counted towards that day's checklist bonus as it was on CS. On this site it is not, which is VERY unfair. It is very frustrating to having to open so many tickets for all those surveys. YourSurveys is hit and miss, there is a server error landing page on ALL completed surveys, payment is unpredictable sometimes it goes through other times not. What is strange is that during launch for the first week or so all surveys credited fine, including 100% of OpinionWorld Now since last week none credit, OpinionWorld does not redirect back, and sticks to the SSI generic completion page!. Considering that tasks and surveys are currently the 2 top ways to earn here, it would be nice to have these issues worked on first.

We could always do both. Promote the site as those issues continued to be worked on. It doesn't necessarily have to be one or the other. Besides, for some members, the surveys had gotten better. They're now completing more surveys than they did when the yS site first opened and all.

To be honest, I don't care either way. If I promote and can make a profit on the promotions then I will bring people in. The most cost effective way is, of course, banners. When are we going to see some new banners? Maybe I should just go and dig up some old CS banners and pretend ignorance. They are offering similar services

I probably won't do anything until we get skrill though. Since I am paying for advertising in BTC I would prefer to convert my skrill earnings to BTC to offset

What about that rewards link card. Is that giving us the proper exchange? Has anybody tried it?

valerie wrote: Jim never said he couldn't make money.

I believe during one of the many discussions we had on the forum he said he was losing money on the PTC but I'm positive it was the sticky ads or whatever they were called. He never clarified the statement. The only reason he brought those in was to compete with the other site and were not a wise decision. They weren't priced based on a per click basis and so had the potential to lose money.

I also suggest back then they move to a four per day minimum click which they also rejected. The benefit of this was that it would get people over to the click section and browsing other ads. It would have increased activity over there.

I agree about the risk of sites going under which is why I tell people they need to diversify their earnings. Not just online but build multiple streams of income. Build one up until it is self sustaining and then move to build up another. This is the best form of job security. And always go with the strong horse but don't stake your life on it unless you control it and even then, take cash away.

Part of the reason I keep my money in sites and for building sites is for tax efficiency. If you cash out and put it in the bank, you need to declare for taxes. That slows down your reinvestment efficiency. If you can use your earnings to buy advertising, you can compound much faster. Since I never needed the online income to live this was much more effective for me

Darkstar2 wrote:

I'd be betting $$$ that many of your referrals were working on all those recurring daily tasks that paid good money, those were the glory years,

I was getting something like over 5000 clicks per day and growing when Jim shut it down because he said he couldn't make money there. Funny, I was making plenty of money there. I joined in 2009 before they even had offers and tasks. Yes, my income increased when they brought that in but my focus was always the PTC crowd

Quote:I even worked directly for one of the clients, so yes no surprise that in those years you would have made a lot from referrals, there was LOTS of work to do in tasks particularly - now 100% of those good and recurring authors LEFT, now new people join will find in the tasks that they start at level 0 where there are barely any jobs, mostly unfair and broken jobs, and no PTC elements, and surveys are tons more difficult to qualify for compared to the old days, the quality has gone down big time and many of the good routers have shut down, so it would be difficult now to earn decent as before from referrals unless referrals are somehow in the top 10 task contributors or somehow get good results, but it's certainly not as wide spread as the glory days.

It's always difficult to find good workers but if the pay is right for both the promoter and the worker then they can be found. That is how the business world works.

Darkstar2 wrote:

I'm sorry but if I did not know better he is demeaning people who do not promote the site and making it seem as though it is only promoters who deserve credit for making what the company became, this is utter bullsh!t and I am calling it as it is. It's one thing to promote and get tons of referrals, if most are inactive, it is good for nothing. What makes the company a success is the actual WORK of members - there are people who promote the site and bring business to the site, that's fine, but the essence of the business are the workers spending hours looking for offers, surveys, tasks. Promoting is one part, the other part is the user becoming committed and working hard. You can have all the promoters in the world, without the actual workers, the site would not be in business. Without as many promoters then the site owner would likely advertise and bring business, but any site owner with a referral program knows that his/her users will promote the site. Why do people promote the site ? Let's not be hypocrites and say things as they are shall we ? It's because of the earning potential from the referral system! That's why people promote. The company is what it is because of people's busting their nuts working on those low paid, surveys and tasks that big corporation exploit people with. Some people are willing to spend money to advertise even if it means getting mostly lazy and active referrals - some people decide not to for whatever reason but more than make up for it by their own work and activity over the bloody years.

Then comes the issue with offer and demand - do you think it is healthy for a given site to get an explosion of new sign-ups when the amount of work has gone down big time, particularly tasks ? Then you get work dilution and people complaining of no work, no tasks, etc, the offer surely cannot possibly ever keep up with the huge demand.
Promoters are PART of the equation not THE equation, they are NOT the only thing that makes the company big :/

how utterly daft can you get? Without promoters YOU HAVE NO WORKERS! The admin is the main promoter but the difference between one person promoting their site and a team of affiliates aka salespeople is the difference between a hot dog stand and a billion dollar corporation like McDonald's that franchises out its sales opportunity

Quote:Promoting is one part, the other part is the user becoming committed and working hard. You can have all the promoters in the world, without the actual workers, the site would not be in business.

And if you have no promoters you still have no workers and the site would still not be in business. Just like if you have no admin, tech staff or internet. Everyone on this site followed a link and joined thanks to some form of advertising and without every component I mentioned you would have nothing no matter how many workers you have

And you are worried about saturation? That is also absurd. If the site is large enough you are going to find advertisers that want to use their services. I'd advertise here myself...oh wait, I forgot that they don't allow paid to click ads any more. Shame on me for wanting access to their 11 million customers. They don't want my money I guess

scott2178 wrote:

since may i brought in about 1,500 people.. at an ave cost per signup of 0.25. The problem i'm seeing now is it seems this new site might be more suitable for tier 1 countrys with the surveys.. offers etc.. my signups where all worldwide.

This is probably true which is why I only use site earnings to advertise and get more referrals. It slows everything down but I'm not going to pay for losses. If the profits grow more profits then that is fine but let the site support itself. That is basically my philosophy of all sites now once they start producing income after a probationary period. That income has to support the growth of more income or the site dies a lonely death

By the way Val, you talk about marketing multiple times to your referrals. That was still possible with CS and even in an enhanced way. Because I was also buying ads on CS, you could bring a whole bunch of people to this site and they would very likely be joining a site that you were advertising here also. Plus, because the ads were viewable by outside members, ads here were also being shown at sites you were originally advertising your CS link at as they browsed the site

scott2178 wrote:

question... what countrys where these refs from? tier1?

All countries. That didn't matter as much because much of the income was PTC and there were always plenty of ads on the CS boards.

I actually preferred to get referrals from developing countries because I knew that income meant so much more to them. Also, developing country clickers tended to stick longer because they needed that income

and yes, before anyone asks, only a small percentage were active but that is the nature of the industry. There are your workers and those that don't want to do anything. There are also your investors like me who are more than willing to spend money to bring in affiliates. These are the people most harmed by the changes at CS as if these people did nothing or did not earn their share of the income from the business. But the promoters are what made this company big