Meh. Neither is going to live forever. Ever increasing blockchains aren't a solution to scaling, but BTC doesn't have a solution either.

I use BCH, though I don't store it.

I store BTC, with an eye on cashing out at the next halving. If there's no peak around the next halving, then I dunno.

I have no faith in either for the long term. Short and medium term, perhaps, but not long term.

Anything from a couple of hours to a week (5 days, excluding weekends and bank holidays).

They seem to process in batches. If you get lucky, it's almost immediate, if you get unlucky, it's a whole week. There isn't a rule of thumb, they're erratic, but a week tops.

I read the topic title as "End Game", so perhaps that's what happened to it.

Typically, one rebrands when they want to disassociate themselves with a reputation.

Typically, one has the reputation one has earned.

nursemorph wrote: What did you expect? Probably every single Payza member with a balance will have been trying to withdraw their funds since news of the U.S. issues appeared (at least a week or more before it appeared on Clixsense as they added the .eu before) and, combined with the massive losses they will have taken in the U.S., would only have a certain amount of funds available so they will have run out of available money.

If everybody had not panicked and instituted mass withdrawals (not helped by everyone, including Clixsense, saying Payza has been shutdown when that was clearly not the case)...without the mass withdrawals, they probably would have been able to ride out the storm and continue as before, albeit at a lower level....now, however, Payza is finished. I don't blame people for panicking but it just shows what happens when people don't report things accurately.

Pretty much agree, except to add they're a bill payment system in various emerging markets (eg, Bangladesh and India). It's much harder to panic-pull-out for utilities than ecommerce, so I don't think they're finished - I think poor countries will prop up the rich countries (as usual, but that's a digression that takes up more than a single forum post) until their fees cover the remainder of the existing withdrawals.

tasman1 wrote:

Can we call it HONEST OR CRIMINAL COMPANY ??

Kinda both.

If they were going to take the money and run, they'd have, well, taken the money and run. Instead, they opened shop again and honoured thousands and thousands of withdraws.

They've obviously haven't got the cash on hand, but given that their real niche is emerging markets, and they didn't disappear before spending a shitload of cash they didn't need to...I think you'll get your money.

Eventually.

I can't use Skirll because they screwed me over when they were Moneybookers, and Payoneer fees are too high, and Tango just sucks, so I kinda felt the same,

But they're offering BACS soon: Introducing TransferWise for Bank Account Payments | ClixSense Forum. You don't get better than BACS.

You may have missed that update because it didn't give one of the popups we normally get (or didn't give me one anyway).

jjohnson777 wrote: We been slowly losing freedoms since 9/11 so much so I starting to think the conspiracy theories might be right all along. Alot others also starting to question their governments and mainstream media.

The dangerous thing about conspiracy theories is they hold a hint of truth.

Most of you didn't know (or more often, willfully ignored) governmental surveillance until Wikileaks, and later Snowdon leaked a tonne of stuff. But we already knew this for absolute fact years and years before either of them. Cryptome had plenty of documents to prove it all along - they just didn't do PR as well.

But of course, nobody listened, because conspiracy theories took what we knew and ran with it until it became something else...when somebody told you the truth, you were too distracted by conspiracy theorists to notice it. The easiest way to cover something up is to propagate a conspiracy theory based on exactly what you're doing.

The privacy wars are long since over. We lost. You're not watching the war anymore, you're watching the result.

We lost, because nobody cared even slightly - we've known for well over a decade what the centralised datasilos are up to, and everyone carried on using them. You were in the war, you chose the wrong side. We built alternatives nobody used, and even the architects of those were more interested in petty infighting and personal one upmanship.

We have exactly what we deserve.

sweetpie3000 wrote: I don’t think Clixsense can’t pay anymore by using payza account. Since his fund frozen on payza?

Clixsense need to allow crypto currency as payment option as soon possible..

He Of Many Usernames was right about you, wasn't he. You are a bot.

Yeah, Clixsense are clearly in collusion with the US government. They sent out payments, and then gave Donald Trump a phone call, and had him close down Payza, so that the funds could be held by the US government instead of their members, which is obviously a really smart business move.

The email they sent out earlier said their services are open to everyone, except the United States, which would be inline with the little we know of the legal situation.

What we don't know is how many of their assets are in the US. If they've got a barebones infrastructure there, they could survive even if (or let's be honest, when) found guilty. If they've got a lot of assets there, they could hit liquidity problems in a matter of days even if they were, by some miracle, to be found innocent further down the line.

They're based in Portugal, where US.gov doesn't have jurisdiction.

I'm surprised at how many people are surprised. This forum has always been full of posts about how incredibly dodgy Payza is, it's not like they had a positive reputation. It's always been an open secret that it's going to come crashing down one day. I'm surprised it happened when it happened, but not surprised it happened, and I'm surprised anyone is surprised.

I just made a withdrawl from Payza using Bitcoin via the EU site. It hasn't cleared yet, but I can see it pending in the blockchain.

Or in other words, this SHOULD work...but there's going to be a lot of panic withdrawing, so get it done sooner rather than later before they run out of liquidity.



Edit - now have 4 confirmations, and managed to not lose any money in the Payza collapse. Phew. But if you're going to panic withdraw, I'd still suggest doing it quickly.

I repeat. Dogecoin is not an inflationary coin. That you suggest it as a big money vector only serves to emphasise your rectally excreted verbiage.

sweetpie3000 wrote:
The real big money is on Litecoin and Dogecoin.

Dogecoin is not an inflationary coin. That you suggest it as a big money vector only serves to emphasise your rectally excreted verbiage.

ZorroOfficiel wrote:

BouldRake wrote: If I had a rewards site, I'd be paying in dogecoin.

It can do micropayments without ridiculous fees, it's not an inflationary coin so you don't have the ridiculous peaks and troughs like Bitcoin, but it's popular enough to be on most exchanges so you can turn it to cash, or other coins without much messing around.

Dogecoin could be an option for the reason you posted. The problem is...it's a cryptocurrency. When you own a site and operate it alone, after your job, as a hobby it's ok. But once you operate as a company it's another story, you have to deal with all the craps to know the regulations related and so. And it's usually not easy

Depends where you live, I suppose. Over here, it's just a scrip ('private money' is the legal term - but still just a scrip). It might need some KYC if you're paying directly, but it would be pretty straight forward.

With CS in the US, things are a bit more...not straightforward.

If I had a rewards site, I'd be paying in dogecoin.

It can do micropayments without ridiculous fees, it's not an inflationary coin so you don't have the ridiculous peaks and troughs like Bitcoin, but it's popular enough to be on most exchanges so you can turn it to cash, or other coins without much messing around.