valerie wrote:

I suppose ClixSense really could help change lives.

They say for most people, an extra $500 per month income, is life changing.
I would go so far to say, much less than that amount is life changing for many people.

You could get an Amen! for that.

I have a little time before the New Year, so let me do some math that anyone would want to see (theoretical)

~~~PREMIUM~~~

We pay a rounded 15$ for premium.

Let's see who wins and who loses.

The "test" is base on NO-REFERRALS 10 people of level 2-8 (you'll see why and I think you guessed why).

After the payment of 15$, 2$ are going to our direct sponsor and 1$ to the direct sponsor's sponsor.

There remain 12$.

We see welcome ads, worth of 1$. Remained : 11$.

Then we see GUARANTEED 0.04 cents daily. Let's round them to 5 cents (impossible to NOT reach 5 cents a day!).

So we get 0.05 * 360 (you saw this math at least 10 times on this forum!)= 18$ !!! . There remains -7$ !!!

Then, what you don't expect, there is an average of winning at ClixGrid once at ten days (if you spend all your chances). I said that because it is IMPOSSIBLE again to not win at ClixGrid in a complete year of spending all your chances everyday. So, we win .10 cents 10 days. Multiplied with 36 (rounded 360 days of the year divided by 10), we get 3.6$. So there remains -10.6$ !!!

Multiply by ten persons (don't forget - NO REFERRALS) = -106$ for ClixSense. Think about that at 10 persons with referrals.

But now, let's take a look at what ClixSense gets!

I mean, they are -106$ profit right now, but we have to take a look at the advertising earnings!

So, they need to advertise 100* 10 (persons) welcome ads = 1000 ads of 0.01 each. That's equal of 16$.
So there remains -90$.

Then, they get 4 * 10 (persons) standard views, too, for 360 days that means = 14 400 views! So let's take a look at how much 14 400 standard views cost 143$. So we have a HUGE profit of 53$. Kidding.

Now at ClixGrid, it is simple. 15$*12 months*600 squares! = 108 000$. Here, it doesn't matter how many people are ! It is a stable rate. Let's say they give 120$ as prizes DAILY (maybe more, maybe less)! So we get 120*30 days*12 months=43 200$. So we get 108 000-43 200=64 800$ a YEAR ! For !

But wait, that 64 800$ is stable, doesn't matter how many people we are calculating!

And now, think about that : the hosting, the security fees, the domain! The lawyer of this company, the employers (Jim said in an interview there are something like 5 employers, anyway!), how many effort or energy is used 24/7 ! Think about the payment fees too, that are paid EVERY SINGLE CENT by this company!

If we are thinking at the 1 million 800 thousands of users, let's say there are 1 million and half active (wow, there are a lot more). So would you duplicate the "-106$" of 10 users with 850k PREMIUM users ?

If you do the math, you will find an interesting number. 106*85 000 (not 850k, because we already had those 10 users : sorry, guys!) = 9.010.000$. Duplicate the ads too, etc.

And what I wanted to point. It really doesn't matter if this company makes a huge profit or a little profit. Think about how MANY DOLLARS are cycling here !

My calculating may have errors, I just wanted to point what a HUGE money roll this company has! heers!

"Happy clicking!"




P.S: Hope you didn't get bored. However, it is an interesting calculating !

rlutia66 wrote: Cred ca intrebarea mea era legata de numarul de ads-uri care nu numai ca nu a ramas acelasi, ba chiar a scazut dupa upgrade
Cresterea numarului de referrali este de dorit in orice sistem de acest gen, sunt f de acord.

Adica tu nu ai primit 100 welcome ads cand ai upgradat la premium ?

valerie wrote: It's really kind of a touchy subject because the legal end of it is very touchy.
The internet is still so new and there are so many programs out there and in different countries, it can be really
trying for the law to succeed in punishing scamsters.

Let's call someone Joe. Joe decides he want to launch a PTC program. Joe is a good guy. Joe is honest.
Joe buys a PTC script and launches his new PTC. He's real excited and all his intentions are great. Joe
is going to make his PTC the best PTC online. Joe wants to make a profit but he is also excited about his
members making a profit too. Everything goes along good at first. Then Joe runs into problems. Joe
realizes his math was not quite on target and he has been paying out more than what he really should
be. Also, advertisers at first were buying ads but now the ad buys have slacked off to almost nil. To top
it off, Joe is having payment processor problems because of no fault of his own. Finally, Joe can barely
afford to cover his hosting fees each month. Plus, he has lots of members that have reached payout,
but he has no funds to pay them.

Is Joe a scamster? Is Joe's PTC program a scam?

Well, I'd have to say, no it's not. Joe probably has a tos on site that even says, you may not make any
money at all. His tos might also say, he is not liable for internet interruptions, errors, unforeseen issues.

But what about the law? What about the general members of Joe's program? What do they see?
What do they say?

Most probable the law is going to be on Joe's side. The law will have to prove that Joe had the INTENTION
to commit fraud, to scam his members. That is certainly going to be hard to prove since Joe never had
an intention to scam or fraud anyone. He really thought his program was going to fly.

Unfortunately, many of his members that are waiting on their payout are going to holler scam. Poor Joe.
He is going to be known online as a scamster simply because some members did not get their $1 or $2 or
$10 payout. Even tho legally, he is not.

People get very irate when it comes to money and it does not matter how small the amount is. If they
think for one second they are not going to get their ten cents that is owed to them, they'll holler scam.

Now lets look at Fred...

Fred wants to make a lot of money. Fred is a deviant. Fred does not care who he hurts. Fred is pretty
cool, he's a smooth talker. Fred comes up with an idea on how to scam thousands of people out of money.
Fred launches a PTC program. He raves and carries on like it's the hottest thing since slice bread. He
charges big upgrade fees. He sells bogus referrals. He pays his members tho....yep, he pays them when
they request it...he even does automatic payouts and his payouts are set nice and low. His members
are smiling from ear to ear...telling everyone hey look I got paid and so people are joining left and right.
Heck, Fred even offers special deals and contests to draw in the crowd. More people are joining and ole
scamster Fred is making a mint. He is rolling in dough. Everything is going great for everyone. After
about six months, Fred increases the payout limit. Fred increase the cost of upgrade options. Heck,
ole Fred has even moved from the Belize. Next thing you know, it's been months since Fred has paid
anyone at all. Fred makes excuses of course. When his members stop upgrading, he then offers them
a deal they can't refuse....instead of $50 upgrade, we're going to only charge $10 but only when you
act quickly. Fred makes several more thousands of dollars. After all, why would anyone not trust Fred?
Fred has been great. Fred has always paid out on time. Fred is just going thru some small issues right
now. While Fred's members are wondering when they are going to get paid, Fred is out on his yacht
in Belize, sipping wine, women feeding him grapes, music playing. Wasn't it great that Fred came up
with such a plan? Next thing ya know POOF....program is gone.

Was Fred's program a scam?

YES!

Can Fred be held liable by law and can it be proven that Fred had INTENTION to commit fraud?

Well, that's a tough answer. Maybe yes because the law could see where that money was going from
the get go. The law could see that Fred was not appropriating his funds correctly. It's really hard
to say yes or no in regards to him being found guilty in a court of law.

What you pointed here was not what I wanted to tell you, but anyway, thank you for your answers.

It doesn't matter anymore what I wanted to point, so this topic may be locked/closed. heers!

rlutia66 wrote: I agree with you, Valerie.

I would summarize it as:
People should try to get more information about sites they are joining before spending time, money or sending contact info. If they don't do that and they get burned, maybe that will teach them a lesson, even if it's to late. There are dedicated sites and lots of blogs on the internet that keep evidence of scam proven sites. Just google it and you can check the lists there.

After all, when you find something promising you'll be having hundreds of dollars in no time, and you don't stop for a second and ask yourself "where from?", how is that called? Just naivety?

That was what I wanted to point. This topic to get those discussions about scams.

But anyway, that's no problem. Valerie, you wrote too many words just to clear me something like what's a scam... it wasn't a need of it, but thank you anyway. This topic may be locked.

artexgold wrote: I think the British English Spelling is Cheque
and the American English Spelling is Check

They say the British was first...

But American is better )

I find your question pretty rude. I mean, if I ask this in the post, and I even discussed with you on another topic about scammer/scams, you are asking me to find your answer at "what a scam is".

But, on the other side, you may be referring at another thing that I would miss.

For me, a scam is that procedure through someone gets ripped off of something invested in it : doesn't matter if it is time, money or addresses.

Anyway, if you wanted to point another sense of your question, please forgive my ignorance and clear us! heers!

I don't think the post I wanna write is good for this forum so I will just ask if it is :

Can we talk here, after this topic will be closed (after the first moderator clear reply), in another topic about SCAM sites that advertise on ClixSense ? I mean, maybe they are not, but can we have our own opinions ? And help members not being scammed "through ClixSense ?". Well, don't get me wrong : I said that just because when they will end up paying some few bucks on a site that was advertising here, and they got there through that advertise, on ClixSense, they will end up saying : "Oh, this service scammed me!".

Hope for fast reply. It would be a nice and useful subject to talk about.

heers!

Hi! Here we try to post our funniest images made at ClixGrid. I am not the funniest person but I tried to do something funny and I don't really know if I made it. Actually, I am planning for tomorrow making a dog or something like that. Take a look here and give your own opinion.


Sorry guys for not cropping it, because I don't have Microsoft Office in my pc. Sorry for that!

P.S: If you have funnier images or you think you can do better, please post your own creation here! "Happy licking!"

So you ended up, finally, by winning. Good job! The key to success in this process is the patience. Keep up the good work!

Good job! How many referrals do you "own" ? Very good amount, though!

drumminbone wrote: I'm trying to convince a few of my friends into doing this, but they won't believe me when I say it's not like other "make money online" sites. What is a good way to prove to them that it's not? I don't have a check yet so I can't do that.

I just keep telling my friends : "Hey, I lose hours on this site, but you lose just 2 mins. Remember when I last helped you with your English homework ? Or when I told you the right answer at exam ?"

And they eventually end up by clicking . This strategy will work just for my classmates and schoolmates. Yes, you have to be good at maths to have active referrals. ) "Happy clicking!"

valerie wrote:

Here is an example of a nice, professional, not over the top, signature line:

Best Regards

Valerie Underhill
Free income plus best advert source
http://.......


-Notice how I state my full name. This displays honesty and allows people to know I am not hiding myself.

-Notice the info line under my name. It's not over the top. It's not hype. It relays simply and to the point what it is. In six simple words, I've let the viewer know they can make free money and get the best advertising too. So, if the viewer is looking for one or the other or both, it will attrack them to click.

Actually, I am still getting tons of SPAMS from a "Adam Horwitz" who is signing with the best signatures I have ever seen. And he is not hiding himself, too, but he is a big scammer.

IubiricaMica wrote:

nu e macaronar, 90% sanse sa fie roman stabilit in italia, a lasat si un reply aici
nu am observat sa comenteze ceva deplasat sau sa ne ia peste picior, asa ca replyul tau a parut putin cam.. cazut din cer.
nu primesti warning, nu ai pt ce, dar probabil toata lumea o sa iti explice de acum incolo ca nu aveai motive sa te simti frustrat.
o seara placuta

Probabil m-a luat valul. Oricum, cand vezi un italian spunand ceva de genul ala te cam superi, dupa cum am mai spus . Scuze daca am provocat "greturi" ). Multumesc de raspuns!

valerie wrote: My Christmas tree is less than 7 inches tall. Yes, it's a big job pulling it out of it's little box and flipping the battery switch to on.

PS. I actually thought about grabbing a twig outside from a tree but was not sure I could get it to stand up.

I meant, poor in ornaments. I got a few lights "thrown" there. My mom did cut its top and the star from the top was lower than the other twigs of the tree. And guess what : We glued it with gutter. Right now I am looking at it and it makes a 150 degrees angle with the strain of the Christmas tree. It is SO funny. Wish I had a camera to put it on!

At least, it is a natural one!

The_AA wrote: I'm happy even when I get 10 cents.

Actually, I, personally, am, too!

valerie wrote: I was just looking in one traffic exchange program I am a member of. I have not set a banner in a long time...like years I guess. And I have over 153 million banner impressions to apply. Too bad those are impressions instead of actual click thru credits.

Is that a good thing or a bad one ? Didn't get it . "Happy clicking!"

*ClixSense had something in their ToS like : you can change your sponsor or everything like that. I don't think it is applicable in your situation. If it is, I am offering to be your sponsor for FREE! (kidding )

**As others said in the upper posts, Valerie has some AWESOME POSTS and TIPS on how to get referrals.

heers! "Happy clicking!"

As it seems that the New Year, Christmas and my birthday are pretty close (1 week difference between the first ones and the last ones), still waiting for my gift .

A great Christmas ? Yes, I did. Good time spent in our family and at church, despite the fact that the Christmas tree is a pretty poor this year . heers!

Funny Omegle Stranger's Reaction at the question : Did you ever hear about ClixSense ?

Stranger 2: Is it a new type of massager?

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Hopefully there will be other reactions soon.

P.S: I didn't spam my referral link as you know that in questions you are not allowed to post links. heers!