valerie wrote: There's a lot wrong with some of the statements in this topic.

Vegans: Most vegans do not march in the streets, nor write articles, not shame people. I don't eat meat but my family does and I don't shame them. I do tell people how I feel about it IF they ask. I don't classify animals with vegetables and I don't classify animals with trees/paper. Those are completely different subjects.

Main Problems with Eating Meat: The main problems with eating meat is the production and over indulgence. What most people are eating in regards to meat, is animals that have been abused and fattened with steroids and various chemicals. There are people that consistently eat meat many times per day. Dare I mention the fast food joints. One in Three people get cancer in the USA at some point in their life time. Many people eat to eat. They no longer eat to live.

People are killing this planet. Mass producing animals, abusing animals, slaughtering animals, and destroying themselves bit by bit in the process.

In regards to Jesus time, they mainly ate vegetables, breads, beans, figs, fruits, fish.

I'm talking about the vegan party and not vegans in general, Most vegans are not shaming anyone.

The solution is not to ban meat, But to lower the consumption and make sure the animals are treated tight.

But Val!!, There are some vegans which i would prefer calling the "Holy Ones", That absolutely can't tolerate anything besides their own opinion.

tasman1 wrote:

cxlxjx_2 wrote: Here in Brazil the genocidal president says 'they died, what can I do'

Do you think any politicians in the world is different ????? my opinion ..... they are all same , in past , now or in future

Do you think they can love us ??? No , never

Yes!! I also heard Bolsonaro say just that to a journalist.


I've seen some bad snippets from Australia and NZ which i really really dislike, And what i think is i important here is to remember to attach your brain properly before you start making over the top measures while running around screaming COVID-19 and frenzy into a complete panic.

If 3 people dies from a car accident, There's almost no coverage. But if 3 people die from covid-19, THEN THERE IS MASSIVE COVERAGE. And i'm perfectly aware that drivers don't infect other drivers like a flu or this virus, But that still don't preventing them from dying from car accidents, Shame on you for not thinking of the poor drivers or those who drowned yesterday or 10 days ago.

We need the wise decisions under this pandemic, Not people running around like headless chickens.

tasman1 wrote: Nikorj . let us declare war on vegans before it become to late , war , war, war , and let us arm all cow , pig . rat , etc , together we will be victorious death for lettuce and spinach

We will eat meat or we will eat Vegans , no problem for me , meat is meat

My homemade burgers will make you cry tears of joy, I even think they can convert Darkstar


But yes!! Identity politics is nothing new, It changes with the culture.


LOL take smoking for example, Once it was cool and everyone smoked (it was a part of a lifestyle and self-image), Now we have banned lucky luke from smoking cigarettes (poor man).


My cause is not to be a grumpy old git that wants the olden days back, My problem lies with the ever-growing attempt to make everything perfect and correct (when should we stop), Culture dictates how you should live your life.

Darkstar2 wrote:

Nikorj wrote: The vegan party is lining up for the coming election in Denmark (And it looks like they're getting in).

Meat will be banned entirely, But according to them it's allright eating a roadkill.

What kind of highly hallucinogenic drug concoction were they high on when they came up with this absolutely absurd messed up way of thinking ?

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Which mean i will have to invest in a car, I guess

You had me very confused there for a minute.........

Until I read this:

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Look there's a cow over there!!!, Step on it sonny.

smh - the world has gone MAD, I wonder what it would be like if it was the other way around, animals were the ones running us over and having us for dinner. I'm not a vegan, I eat meat in moderation, BUT I will never eat meat coming from a factory that does adhere to strict guidelines. The way some producers treat the animals is VERY disturbing, same for chicken, I've seen it. I love vegetables and fruits, meat is a good source of protein - getting that same amount of protein from plants would be expensive. I try to limit red meat though. Vegetarians definitely have a lack of B12 and other vitamins and often need supplements, which are often of very low quality bought online from China !!!

I'm very picky when it comes to meat and how the animals are treated, And even if you only eat ecological meat you can never be sure how it's produced anyway. All i can say is that there is actually a big difference in taste if you buy the expensive variant (at least in my country), The other mass-produced meat have this weird taste of "metal" to it.

The problem with the vegan-party is that they try to shame people from eating meat, And "of course" as always they're getting the exact opposite reaction from the general public (no-one likes to be told what to do).

And because of the extra cost i only buy red meat 2 days a week now, Rest of the week it's soup, Chicken and fish (often salmon).

Meat have become so mass-produced that it's often cheaper than vegetables, Unless there's a fancy name slapped on it

I apologize many times for my bad taste of humor.

The vegan party is lining up for the coming election in Denmark (And it looks like they're getting in).

Meat will be banned entirely, But according to them it's allright eating a roadkill.

Which mean i will have to invest in a car, I guess


Look there's a cow over there!!!, Step on it sonny.

Darkstar2 wrote:

valerie wrote: I think it is that 'it won't happen to me' and 'I won't die if I do get it' type of thinking.

One large problem with that type of thinking is people don't know what conditions they may have
or how their DNA will react to the virus when they do get it.

Blame the World Hell Organisation and the Center for Disinformation Control (CDC), when they downplayed the virus and said that majority of people would recover and get mild symptoms - SO people will remember this only they will claim that a large majority recover, and that only 4% die OR they are reading the propaganda about an upcoming vaccine, so they think so what, a vaccine is coming out soon (BURP) I'm untouchable (BURP BURP) I'm a biker, I'm a man (BURP) nothing can put me down (BURP) bikers are invincible - Let's see in a couple of weeks how many of those bikers breath their last breath in a hospital, it'll be too late then when they say "I shoulda listened to those MFs after all......." Tough luck, I don't think there are bikes in the after life

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I always enjoyed going to the big biker rallies. They have some amazing and fun events. One such
event is almost terrifying to watch. It's the 'Globe of Death'. The one's I have watched is not enclosed
at the top.....makes it even more dangerous because anyone could drop something down into the circle.
Several experienced bikers ride at excessive speeds criss crossing each other until their speed is so fast
they are actually riding on the walls. It's always a main attraction.

That is definitely fun to watch, it requires perfect synchronization. One fraction of a wrong move and it's major injury to all bikers in the globe. I've seen as much as 4 to 6 bikers in a globe, that is CRAZY I always wondered how they manage to stop safely, there is no room for error, and between bungee jumping and globe riding, I'd say globe riding is right at the top

Burp!


Thank's for getting my morning coffee in the crazy throat.


BURP!!

tasman1 wrote: Herd immunity

Big number in start low number at the end and freedom as a bonus

Let see number in long term in few years time


Folks who attended Sturgis Rally will have good immunity [ bet you 100 to 1 ]

Sleep well

I need to hit the canvas (nice discussion)

tasman1 wrote: Herd immunity

Big number in start low number at the end and freedom as a bonus

Let see number in long term in few years time


Folks who attended Sturgis Rally will have good immunity [ bet you 100 to 1 ]

I completely disagree on your solution to end the Covid-19 pandemic.

But that's okay , We can't agree on everything.

It still has nothing to do with herd immunity.

If Sweden gained a fully herd immunity i can promise you that the number of deaths would be much higher.

Even Sweden's epidemiologist Anders Tegnell have admitted that gaining a herd immunity was a wrong course of action to begin with, He also regretted the high number of deaths and admitted that they haven't been good enough to keep care homes safe.

Sweden's hot spot for the virus is mainly contained to their capital Stockholm where it is estimated that 10 to 15 percent of the population have somewhat more or less gained an immunity to the virus, However that estimate is uncertain because it's still unclear how much immunity you gain from the antibodies.

I have also followed the Swedish news (I have no problem reading or understanding Swedish at all), I have my sources from the regional newspapers and not some unknown bloke on youtube.


But i'm glad they finally have it under control

No my dear TAS, Sweden are far away from herd immunity. have you any idea how many infected is required to gain a heard immunity (We are talking over 60% of the population, preferably 70%), And Sweden are far from that.

Swedens biggest problem during this pandemic have been isolating care homes for the elderly from transmission of the virus, The majority of the total death counts are from these locations (Geeez you need to cut down on the amount of fake news).

Sweden's population is just about 40% higher than ours, But Sweden's death toll are nearly 10 times of ours, And yes!! Sweden's economy have also been severely affected even with the so called (no lockdowns), Some regions in Sweden actually had lockdowns to prevent further transmission.

I totally agree with you that the Australian government have over-reacted due to the rising number of infections, But these rising numbers are isolated (like our own) to certain parts of the country, And not and issue with wide-spreading in general across the country, And of course it's important to make sure to isolate these areas and prevent the transmission
from being spread to other parts.


If we all want to get back to our daily lives, It don't help dismissing the virus and throw a giant party of 5 million people, Only if you want further lockdowns of course.


Yes!! Sweden have finally gotten the virus under control, It just took a couple of months longer than the other Nordic countries which not even have half the number of deaths than we have in Denmark.


Denmark : 620 deaths

Norway : 256 Deaths

Finland : 333 Deaths

Sweden : 5766 Deaths

Nice going by the Sioux

I would wish that logic came before BILLIONS of dollars, But that is fake news, Billions of dollars always win (Just throw the towel, No need for discussions on that).

Yes!! Infection rate in South Dakota are very low, So let's hope that "NONE" of the 500.000 (And most likely more) participants have covid-19.

Just try to imagine if there is just a couple of spreaders among the crowd??, It could turn into a downright catastrophe and also tarnish the reputation of the whole event for years (Unless they don't care about that at all).



Cancel the event

Give me the billion of Dollars (Or the value in Bananas).



I don't know what else to say (While i shake my head), I really hope for the US that they will soon get an effective vaccine, It seems it's the only way at the moment.



Tasman, Close your eyes and pretend the virus is not there (Good luck).

Sounds like a fun event indeed.

But amidst this pandemic it should be cancelled even though it's also very profitable, The word "logic" must have been thrown in the thrash bin.

But yeah!!, I'm sure all 500.000 can keep at least 2 meters distance from each other, Drink a lot of booze and the 2 meters will turn into 3, Covid-19 is a staunch supporter of this event (I have heard).


Lot's of profit have also been lost in Denmark even though the numbers of infected are very very small, All major events cancelled.

I completely stopped reading the news online.

I only read about covid-19 in the ySense forum now!!


I think i will name this fine forum : The Covid-19 expert psychic forum.

I also read about the Sturgis rally in a Danish newspaper, Headline was "sheer stupidity"


Nice example on how money is sometimes above everything else!!, 500.000 people crowded together is not what the US needs at the moment.

Darkstar2 wrote:

Nikorj wrote:

He could be???, Be careful

Well he looks like one, he will do everything in his power to make Republicans look bad - even at the cost of causing markets to fall sharply, remember I predicted markets would devalue 30% during his first time, and unless he has a big magic wand and can significantly turn around the economy and jobs and general sentiment, the markets are likely to remain in the negative for most of 2021, before eventually Americans (and the world) becomes used to his ways, and markets are likely to go back up 20%, but one should not expect continuous upward trend as it was under Trump, I think with Biden the markets will remain volatile , it will be more downward than upward, and the up days will be weak, I think definitely it will be an L shaped recession, unless he has a magic potion he's been hiding - Look for signals in him asking Americans to trust him, and MAJOR policy changes with big promises for better, typical traits of an AC, it's possible that a huge rebound will happen, initially, sort of like an infatuation thing when 2 people meet each other for the first time and want to shag - until eventually that effect tapers off and things will drop like a meteor.
It's possible that that they will take back the Senate, so yeah it's going to be the reign of Democrats. We've been stuck with a Liberal government here in Canada, US economy has been doing far better than Canada over these past 4 years, and there is only one reason for that. TRUMP.

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Ahh!! the US, What can i say. The great world leader with the biggest muscles, The country everyone looks too when the shed is on fire and also the country that has the single-most attention worldwide.

Yeah big muscles indeed, he's only good to keep good job numbers and economy high - otherwise when there is a pandemic or any crisis, nope, he's not there, .... The exact opposite for rival party, they might better manage a crisis, but status quo on the economy and jobs, due to harsh tax and corporate policies. Why do you think people hate TRUMP yet the markets go up up up up, investors like him, he wants to impose tariffs to China and Canada, both country that he HATES, even though he said that he considers Xi Jinping a close friend But that's ok, he's willing to do anything to make investors happy, so far it was working well ......

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I can't say that the US are handling this pandemic exceptionally well at the moment and many westerners are laughing at Trump (which is a truth i don't consider to be 100% fair), Trump is a businessman and certainly not a virologist (It kind of shines through).

Exceptionally well ? That's an understatement, 100% fair ? Which politician is fair. The only difference is that Trump is not in it for money. Yeah not a virologist, but he discredits and shames his OWN experts, that unfortunately is frowned upon even by his supporters - people voted for him because of his unorthodox and often effective ways, and to make things better again - but now, things are going down the toilet, so to show how desperate people are they will sell their soul to the devil and vote Democrat thinking that things will be better, instead of braving the storm and thinking 4 years down the line, on who is better at keeping economy afloat, because no matter what, after this mf of a pandemic, people will resume SOME of their daily life right ? they will need someone to give good hand jobs to investors to keep them content.

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I think Trump is good (better) at boosting the economy and create jobs than many other president's who don't particular seem to have much interest in doing just that,

Thank goodness I am not the only one to think this way That's because he is NOT in it for the money, he is in it for fame, he wants to be the big hero, and he loves his country, he wants to be seen as both a villain and a hero. The other Presidents ? It's all about by the book, playing it safe, STATUS QUO, and making sure businesses are milked of their last penny - which is why had Trump not won 2016, the DOW would likely be worth 22-25% less than it is now.
Look at the yearly returns in different markets when Lip Service Obama was in power...... Since Trump won, the markets have been bullish, and going up - and the few times it went down, it jumped back up (big rebound). With other Presidents any drop in market was followed by a SLOW recovery. Trump put A LOT of money into fast tracking a vaccine, he's unconventional be believes in miracles - Other Presidents would have likely relied on the NORMAL course of vaccine, 2-3 years or more.....So the investors would not have received as much promising news or hope as they are now. Trump decided to re-open the economy, much to a lot of people's discontent, BUT he saved America from a Great Depression. Another President would have likely kept a lockdown going for the rest of the year, or until a vaccine or whatever, causing bankruptcies ten fold, suicides, 5x-10x unemployment, and a crashing stock market similar to the 2008 vrisis, where it eventually lose 50-60% of its value. This time it went down to around 37 % - but something odd happened, things turned around quickly and markets recovered most YTD losses, in fact, right now it would around -4 to -5% which is exceptional in a pandemic - With Hilarious Hilary or Sleepy Biden, by now the DOW's YTD performance would be at -44%, or anywhere down the -30 ~ -40% With Burnie Sanders, maybe down -60 ~ -70%

Had Trump kept his mouth shut, and stop saying a bunch of CRAP like people drinking chlorox and such, and had he taken this mf of a pandemic more serious and showed leadership, he would have saved his re-election, because believe it or not, markets are doing well now, on the hopes that he will pull a rabbit out of his hat and win it, or that a vaccine will come and save the world (big joke), but eventually when earning results come out, 2nd wave comes, and civil unrest due to Trump refusing to concede victory, then watch out, you can kiss the recovery goodbye, it will be back to a bear market that could last well into 2021.

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Trump is also a simple man which certainly don't talk or act like any other president before him, I also find him to be incredibly rude at times (it can also be an advantage in certain situations)

He is indeed, you should watch some of his press conference during question period, it's cringe worthy
He's certainly not afraid to confront and put some journalists to place, especially propaganda and fake news networks So let's see now, a rude President that creates jobs, keeps economy strong and business happy, or a by-the-book President who follows protocol, who plays it safe, who keeps a country in status quo, going nowhere......hmmm tough choice innit ?

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In my opinion covid-19 is more a nagging nuisance than a deadly killer, It's the virus that does not cause too much panic, And at the same time it's also the virus that governments just can't discard and overlook completely.

This is where I strongly disagree with you, the virus is more than a nagging nuisance. The once-thought to infect only old people, now is infecting babies, kids, teens, young adults that were otherwise in excellent shape with no underlying condition, and sending them to the ICU in respirators and lingering damage........It's true that some people will never have symptoms and recover, but would you gamble on this and take a chance ? Some people thought the same way and they regretted it once they were struggling to breath in a hospital. Some very healthy people got COVID19 and 4 months later STILL have symptoms - extreme fatigue, cough, pain, etc. It's now known that the virus can potentially damage the brain, kidneys, liver, nervous system AND cause severe complications with blood vessels and blood clotting, some of the damage caused by this China virus can be PERMANENT or last for years !!! even after testing negative. So yeah this is not a nagging nuisance.

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Well i'm of to have some sun, Incredibly weather and 89.6 Fahrenheit outside

Well I'm back from the sun, nice weather, now I'm going to look for surveys, read a bit of fake news to entertain myself, maybe fly to the moon and back, then I'll take a nap

Did you get a nice tan???, I'm absolutely roasted

I'm not of the opinion that covid-19 is completely harmless, And should just be ignored. Too me it's a beefed up version of the flu, And Maybe i was little biased on the nuisance part after watching the movie "Contagion".

What i basically meant was that covid-19 is something all countries can't ignore without taking action as on the contrary they'll do with a lot of other shit that happens all the time like poverty and so on.

This affects rich/poor and everyone in between including themselves, I'm just so very mixed on my opinions on this pandemic.

Misuse of statistics to take draconian actions, people that Denies that this even exists, People in my country that has come to that strange conclusion that this is all over (I can do without any of that)


Have an enjoyable time with the fake news!!, If you don't know it's fake i guess it's okay

valerie wrote: One of the first friends I met online was a young man in Denmark. He would go by
the handle 'megamol'. He told me a lot about Denmark that I found interesting.

I've known a few others online from Denmark that also relayed a lot of info about
the employment and benefits.

Everyone I have ever known online from Denmark were very nice people with the
exception of one. If memory serves me correct, there was a guy from Denmark
that was a moderator here for a very short period of time. He was extremely rude
to most everyone at the forums. He got mad at me because I unlocked a topic
that he had locked. Well, it was not even a topic because he locked it before anyone
could reply. It was a guy in India that he did not like and there was nothing wrong
with the post at all. After I unlocked it, he was very angry and would follow me
around the forum so much so I had to tell Jim to cancel my membership. After Jim
discovered what had really happen, he removed the guy from moderator and I think
from the program entirely. Then I came back. They guy was very strange, to say
the least.

All kinds of people in the world.

Yep, it is truly difficult to know if we would like living in any such place until we
live there.

Do you mean "Marcel" or something along those lines?? (can't remember his exact user name??).

I believe he was from the Netherlands, Denmark gets often confused with the Dutch

valerie wrote: I don't care what you think about Canada.

I also don't care what you think about the USA.

Me, I think the USA is the greatest country in the entire world. I live in America and I am proud
to be an American.

There are a few other countries that I think are great. I wouldn't really know since I have never
lived in them so I can't really say for sure. Denmark for example, I have thought would be a
good place to live. Italy and France, I might would like. New Zealand is another place I think I
might like. A couple of other countries too I think I wouldn't mind living in but there is no way
I could say yay or nay positively since I have never lived in them.

It's a hard life living in Denmark, So be prepared for a shock (you might even get a bit lazy). That's what happened for my big-brothers wife which have lived here for 20 years now (She was never in a hurry to go back).

Joking a bit!!!, I myself managed to live in the US for around 18 months before i scurried back to safe old Denmark where the money is good, With or without any work.


We all have different cultures and rules in which we are accustomed too in our daily lives, It's first when we move out of that zone we discover the difference.

Darkstar2 wrote:

Nikorj wrote:

valerie wrote:

Nikorj wrote: I was about to write something similar to what tasman have posted.

Large population is equal to more crime, While smaller populations has less.


I think i'm some kind of mathematically genius.


I'm now granting special permission to Valerie to have the opinion that the US is the worlds greatest country on earth, Even if as we all know it's fake news.

Everyone knows it's Denmark (We are simply just better looking)

You remind me of my son. He has very dry humor too.

Thank you!!, Guess i should take that as a compliment.

(Damn i'm sexy)

But you were right in a way that is fake news, that is a myth - I think a more accurate version is that compared to many other countries in the world, there are many aspects that are better in North America. High crime and corruption is rampant in many countries around the world, who have ALSO seen their crime skyrocket. Not that the US and Canada are not corrupt, they are, to some level, but compared to some other countries, it's definitely better. As far as gang violence, I guess you could say there are countries where it is exponentially worse than both the US and Canada combined, like Mexico for example, etc...etc.... BUT violence aside, there are very good countries out there, in terms of cost of living, prosperity, people, culture, etc, I'm sorry, but America or Canada are not the TOP 2, they are too far down the list. Don't be surprised that some of the poorest countries have people with the best family values, kindness and respect................................................

You see, I am Canadian, and I will not say Canada is the best country on earth, maybe it is for a terrorist and illegal immigrant, but there are other countries out there that adhere to better values, when shit happens, they show more solidarity, etc. However, I could say that Canada is superior in many areas compared to other countries, even with our flawed and highly corrupt medical system, we are better than most countries, and unlike the U.S., where medical care is a complete rip-off, here you won't get raped $1 million in hospital care, in debt for the rest of your life, and you won't get necessarily less care than you would in the U.S., selling your shirt, kidneys and arms to get proper care.
BUT......Public health care system comes with a big cost, if you need care, you must be prepared to be on very long waiting lists......Whereas in private care, you can go get that MRI within weeks, if you can cough up $800. You can go get an eye exam within a week, if you can cough up $1000.......etc.

Cost of living in some parts of Canada is beyond CRAZY' yet an average Canadian earner can live like a king in some countries, in the best areas, for very cheap. Cost of living is very high in North America, taxes are very high in some provinces here, and Canada is generally behind in technology.

Right now America is NOT the best country int he world, it is a humiliation in my opinion, they have gone MAD and completely lost control of the pandemic, it seems no state governor is on the same wave length, what a bloody mess......... One expert says one thing and the next day says something else, one day Fauci SPITS from his mouth some fear mongering about America's doom and how the pandemic will last a long time and we are not out of the woods song, AND yet now he says he thinks there will be a vaccine before election day........America has gone haywire, and the second murderous wave of COVID19 is around the corner, states opening school is very irresponsible, parents are complete idiots for even thinking of letting their kids go back to school, and those who decided to open schools are complete idiots as well. Schools will be a new hot spot for spreading the virus, it will be chaos.

For a country that claims to be the best in the world they sure do not lead by example ....... Which country can we learn from, by WE I mean North America, ironicaly, CHINA, the instigators of this global genocide - yeah they are a corrupt communist regime - but they will be the first to recover fully, they don't feel ashamed to wear a mask, distance and do whatever it takes to stop the spread, but in America, nope, everybody has a freedom, a constitution, so they are just ADVISED on what to do as opposed to being TOLD what to do........

I am beginning to suspect more and more that Joe Biden is the AntiChrist.

He could be???, Be careful

Ahh!! the US, What can i say. The great world leader with the biggest muscles, The country everyone looks too when the shed is on fire and also the country that has the single-most attention worldwide.

I can't say that the US are handling this pandemic exceptionally well at the moment and many westerners are laughing at Trump (which is a truth i don't consider to be 100% fair), Trump is a businessman and certainly not a virologist (It kind of shines through).

I think Trump is good (better) at boosting the economy and create jobs than many other president's who don't particular seem to have much interest in doing just that, Trump is also a simple man which certainly don't talk or act like any other president before him, I also find him to be incredibly rude at times (it can also be an advantage in certain situations)


In my opinion covid-19 is more a nagging nuisance than a deadly killer, It's the virus that does not cause too much panic, And at the same time it's also the virus that governments just can't discard and overlook completely.

Fake news!!, More like choose your own news and your very own little reality bubble on the internet, People are too busy in their daily lives to really research the news they are ingesting.

What can we do about that??, Sounds boring (i know) But if you can find the time to read more than the first 2 lines in a news feed (which is highlighted in big letters) well your'e of to a good start, Also try to do some research and not just go along with the flow or what kind of political or religious group you're a part of.

Make sure that you check up on your favourite political party once in a while to see if you still align with their way, And not just vote for them because you liked them 40 years ago (A big problem we have in Denmark)

Well i'm of to have some sun, Incredibly weather and 89.6 Fahrenheit outside

valerie wrote:

Nikorj wrote: I was about to write something similar to what tasman have posted.

Large population is equal to more crime, While smaller populations has less.


I think i'm some kind of mathematically genius.


I'm now granting special permission to Valerie to have the opinion that the US is the worlds greatest country on earth, Even if as we all know it's fake news.

Everyone knows it's Denmark (We are simply just better looking)

You remind me of my son. He has very dry humor too.

Thank you!!, Guess i should take that as a compliment.

(Damn i'm sexy)