kevin1877uk wrote: I guess the changes will either make or break CS. I would hope they will regain PayPal, it's not the same without PayPal, I've not done anything since PayPal went.

Life is better without PayPal... they don't like the PTC industry, so why would you like them? Agreed, PayPal is convenient, (e.g. instant transfer to bank) but there is high price to pay for that convenience. I was earning about £800 a month from PTC's before the PayPal destruction... that is now greatly reduced because sites have been lost, advertisers have reduced and referrals have gone inactive (no doubt due to their blind trust in PayPal).

Strange thing is, despite PayPal being the reason a thriving industry is now simply trickling along, some members of the sites still want PayPal... this is stupidity!! Surely people have some sense, use the other payment processors instead and show PayPal we don't need their BS... who knows if PayPal profit's disappear because no-one uses their services, their management might realise the mistakes they made in messing with the industry!!

Kevin... the answer is simple, you want to earn some cash online, dump PayPal and move on with different processors, you'll find there is little difference once you work out the fees, minimum withdrawals etc...

Poll now closed, but please continue to comment.

Keep on topic... e.g. what are you thoughts on the announced changes.

Who needs PayPal anyway? Only the village idiot would trust them, and he moved to the city years ago!

Who's on Twitter? Because this fits the 140 character rule on Twitter..

Stupid rules made by @PayPal have destroyed the PTC industry. We encourage everyone to boycott PayPal immediately. #WeLikePtcSoScrewPayPal!!

Perhaps we could all tweet right now!!

It could be the content of your blog!!

a) you may be promoting scam sites
b) you may be repeating some info (e.g. 'join this site, it's the best {link}') again and again


A blog should be informative, unbiased and truthful - anything else and it could be classed as spam.

DannyChiarelli wrote: Couldn't change my poll answer above.

I'm out.

Danny, you should wait and see... Admin has some plans that you may like.

WOW... Smashmouth kind of person then!

tasman1 wrote: ModEdit
To all who complain against CS , go to another site and do not crap bullshit here ,

Strange... I invested with PayPal on Neo... and just cashed out with Payza... must be something you've done to upset their admin as payouts are fine.

boyle44 wrote: **ModEdit**Removed External website**

Go to ** and lose out on ClixSense future plans... your loss, see yeah!!

blynnj wrote: My earnings have been improving since I've been spending more time focusing on offers rather than ptc.

I guess you haven't that active in the last 10 years though.... just $177 earned!!

I've earned $188 in less than 30 months, and think that isn't as good as it should have been. I mean in 2016 I earned $101, yet so far in 2017 (6 months) I earned just $29.

By the way, out of my $188 total, $52 (≈27%) is from PTC, $51 (also ≈27%) is from offers/tasks, basically the same. Referrals have earned me $64 (≈34%) and the checklist bonus has earned me $15 (≈8%), ClixGrid wins are $6 (≈3%).

I'm sure many of us can be more active here... let's hope the changes allow us to do so.

Well, this fits the 140 character rule on Twitter..

Stupid rules made by @PayPal have destroyed the PTC industry. We encourage everyone to boycott PayPal immediately. #WeLikePtcSoScrewPayPal!!

Perhaps we could all tweet right now!!

Just like ClixSense, Neobux have always paid me!!

Yet PayPal don't take honest sites into account, the multiple scammers have led them to taking action that seriously affects the PTC industry as a whole.

Perhaps ClixSense, Neobux and all other genuine PTC admins can stick together and try to get PayPal to understand their honesty...

...but how many of you contacted PayPal to complain when ClixSense announced losing their account?

...and how many NeoBux members contacted PayPal to complain when they announced losing their account?

...and how many of you are boycotting PayPal now?

Admin are one or a couple of people as most... members are in the millions on both ClixSense and NeoBux... the voices of a few are quiet, whereas the voices of the millions are deafening!!! PayPal have to record all complaints and respond to them, imagine them being inundated with complaints regarding the loss of CS/NB accounts and the affect it was having on you as a member, then adding you was threatening to boycott PayPal if they didn't deal with the issues... no doubt, their top brass would be feeling very sweaty and uncomfortable in their golden chairs by now!!

To me, it was PayPal that destroyed the PTC/RevShare industry... the fact that honest admin like Jim are classed in the same boat as the scammers is the reason that I now don't use PayPal. I don't need their BS!!

Well, I see lots of comments on this post... but only 615 votes in the 9 days the vote has been active.

Surely, we have more than 615 members signing in to ClixSense and checking the forum at a time of change like this!!

Maybe this is the issue on the site... member's inactivity!!

Of course, now that the 8-level affiliate program is going, admin can now delete all the inactive members from the system. Additionally, I think suspending an account after 30 days of inactivity is too long, I would reduce it to 15 days - the site needs active members, not people who sign in once a month.

666 - the number of the beast - maybe PayPal employees all reside in hell.

admin wrote: We do not feel removing PTC was the wrong decision. Yes we care about our members as if it weren't for you then we wouldn't be here. But, from a business standpoint the changes we're making do make sense. I will explain:

Upgrades - Places us in a high risk category because we are asking you to make a purchase in order to get more. It borders MLM if not crosses into this category. And, with upgrades comes the 8 tiers, again borders MLM. A purchase is made in order to generate a commission in the 8 levels. We do not want to be associated with this vertical. All members should be equal with their earning potential. Removing upgrades does this.

ClixGrid - It borders gambling and is basically like PTC except your not paid to view an ad. Our decision to remove this was not due to a revenue factor as we did not lose money on this.

PTC - The toughest decision I've had to make. Where to start...first you have to look at what PTC brings to the table. Fraud, malware, changed website redirects, high risk and the list goes on. Secondly, in order to stay competitive you have to keep prices low. To keep prices low this means you lose money on some campaigns, which we did. Someone made a comment that we were bleeding. I would not call it that as yes, we lost money on PTC, we could have easily kept on as we were with zero issues. The other thing we looked at was, where we want to be in the future? Can we get to the "next level" with our current business model? The answer was no. But, with that said, yes we could continue as we were and probably be successful and continue our growth. Our plans for moving forward are to look and act more like a legitimate company rather than a company that has services that can place you in a "scam" category.

If you stay as you are in business, you will fail. Change is not only expected, it's required. There is a great quote that says the only constant in life is change. We will change, we will move forward and we will bring you the best service and support possible. ClixSense is not only my company, but it's like my child (that doesn't talk back of course...lol). I care about my members, my company, it's reputation and the service we provide to you. I want you happy so you keep coming back and we will damn sure do our best to make sure that happens.

Thank you
Jim Grago

Thanks for reply Jim, sorry for delay in seeing it and responding. I will miss PTC on this site, I do 'work' on about 50 PTC/online earning sites. Some of them are coming good for me, and was thinking about running ads on CS in the future, then you announced that PTC was going.

The good thing about PTC sites are the extra stuff like offerwalls, PTSU and I like earning through videos. Really hoping more offerwalls are in the pipeline, but also ways we can promote links to other members and I think PTSU would be the solution... e.g. simple ones like 'post URL of website visited' to earn something like $0.001 or more committed ones like 'join site, be active 7 days' to earn $0.10' - this is unless you have something else planned, of course. Can't wait to see what 'new stuff' replaces PTC as I'm sure you've done your homework, and done something great for the site. Feel free to message me via chat if you want to give me a glimpse of the future

sweetpie3000 wrote: The competitor got PayPal closed today? Hey guys you are leaving Clixsense next week? The competitor happen the same thing.

You guys mostly likely stay with Clixsense since you have no choice.

What are you going to do now?

Yes, you're right.... they knew it was only a matter of time due to PayPal policy... and they were ready for it.

No-one needs PayPal, only an idiot would trust them!!!

tasman1 wrote: MLivePro .... pro say
I just can't understand the loss of PTC!!! - That is a decision that could see millions of members leaving the site, as some members can't to offers/surveys as there are no available in their country.????????



WOW millions ?
CS have 8 million members ,,, but how many active ??? few K ?

If 8 million are active who will give CS 32 million ads daily, say 4 ad

per member daily ??
In that case CS or any PTC will be bancrupt in 20 min

Wake up folks , no profit in ads

Well, I was estimating.... I mean about 2 million members have joined since the start of 2016, and knowing how many members are active is hard to know.

As for no money in PTC ads... do the maths... Advertisers pay $0.02 per click, members receive $0.01 per click, their referrers get $0.002 per click... leaving $0.008 per click for admin profit, 1,000 ads and that's $8. Of course, this does not include the daily 'sponsored' ads which are covered by membership fees - e.g. $17 upgrade guarantees $14.60 in $0.01 ads (365 x 4 x $0.01) leaving $2.40 profit for admin.

Also think about the other $0.005 / $0.001 working the same way. There is profit in PTC if done right.

kevin1877uk wrote: I personally think it's the biggest mistake ever taken by CS along with losing PayPal, what are admin doing???? Killing the site!!!!!!!!!! Sad day to see the site go like it's going after being here 7 years.

PayPal loss was due to PayPal's idiotic policies, so can't blame admin for that. Please do not trust PayPal, they are basically thieves!! They earned millions of $$$ in fees from ClixSense before deciding the ClixSense business set up was a risk and closed their account. That is complete BS!!!

I can understand removal of the 8-level affiliate program as some can view this as a pyramid scheme, and it may be a great benefit to ClixSense in getting future, profitable associations.

I can even understand removal of the premium account too, if I clicked all the guaranteed $0.01 ads for the year I'd earn $14.60 back out of the $17 paid, leaving ClixSense just $2.40 - but of course, they also paid out $9 (1 x $2, 7 X $1) in commissions to referring members and their upline sponsors. Obviously, this is a possible large loss.

I just can't understand the loss of PTC!!! - That is a decision that could see millions of members leaving the site, as some members can't to offers/surveys as there are no available in their country.

pennyD8984 wrote: That's what I don't understand. People are so worried about 0,1c/PTC and they don't see the biggest earning opportunities? I mean: completing surveys and offers are the best way to earn. Plain and simple. But you have to work for it. Plus, to be fair, I see the same ads over and over. I'm not going to join their websites. Even if there is a poorly photoshopped boat/Ferrari as proof of their earnings. Let's face it: if advertisers were more honest, Clixsense wouldn't have removed the PTC system.
In my opinion they did the right thing to stay alive and relevant.

Those 'dishonest' ads you refer to are on quite a few PTCs... I know some of the other PTC admins are members of eToro, MakeMoneyRobot etc... and their associated affiliation programs, so maybe now you'll understand why those ads never change.

You can be sure eToro, MakeMoneyRobot etc... do not run the ads, think of the cost of thousands of ads on a daily basis, they are admin ads trying to get you to join so they earn commissions through the affiliation. Of course, admin don't need to pay to run ads on their own site, and you can bet the membership fees more than cover the cost of paying out on those ads. e.g. $17 yearly upgrade on ClixSense gives $14.60 of guaranteed ads - there's still $2.40 left!! On another site the yearly upgrade is $90, and the guaranteed ads pay members just $32.85 a year... there's over $57 left!! That site has the same 'dishonest' ads!!

Now think... if membership is removed, there is no need for guaranteed ads. This is where PTC is truly profitable... advertisers pay sites to advertise, generally the advertising cost is twice the reward members receive, leaving sites enough to pay referral commission and make a profit. So maybe, ClixSense should remove membership and 8-level affiliate program, but keep PTC as on it's own it is profitable.

Also, without PTC members can't advertise their affiliate links on ClixSense. With ClixSense being the 'world's most popular PTC' the removal of PTC entirely is somewhat strange, especially as that other site I referred to above is a large competitor and I've already noticed an increase in ads there since ClixSense's decision last week.

Additionally, outside of the US offer/survey availability is very different... some countries have few, some have none at all... this is why some members can only click PTC ads and the loss of PTC on ClixSense is so important to them.

@uzair_friends - Thanks for unlocking

Please don't lock my topic... five days left on vote and discussion.

Please do refer to topic content, and speak about the changes!